Pro-life policies work.

I never said that ends justifies the means. Misrepresneting my position.

 

That is exactly what you said.


Please define "ends".......define "means"....

 

Not everything CPCs say are lies.

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Ends=result
Means=something that happens which leads to something else.

 

No you have never used those exact words, instead you say things like

so one can conclude that you do in fact support the end justifying the means, if you didn't then you would be hear saying how morally wrong it is for CPC's to lie and that they should tell the truth.

I have another little saying for you Sam .. two wrongs don't make a right.

 

I don't believe that 2 wrongs make a right.

 

I know you don't want to argue about Kinsey anymore (and neither do I), but recently, after reading about him, I found some proof that Kinsey did have a significant influence on abortion legalization and was one of the primary influences. Here are some direct quotes from the book "abortion wars". What that book says, lines up with what RSVp america.org (biased pro life site) says about Kinsey.

"Abortion Wars" mentions in their chronology of abortion politics (click on the link below) that Kinsey's book talks about the percentages of women who had abortions. If Kinsey's abortion studies were not a primary influence on abortion legalization, then why were they mentioned at the beginning of "abortion wars"?

Kinsey was connected with both AMA and ALI.

http://books.google.com/books?id=LB... century struggle kinsey experts laws&f=false

 

I give you an A+ for knowing what those words mean....but a failing grade for recognizing the intent...

 

Why are you defending a company which goes against your moral beliefs by lying?

They lie about many things. So why would you support them or even defend them like you're doing here? If anything you should at the very least support an organization that promotes the truth and a positive method of encouraging women not to abort, but never by lying to do it. Hell, even if you supported changing CPCs methods of discouraging women from aborting that would be better than you sitting here and defending their lies.

 

My fault. I didn't explain my opinions clearly enough.

I don't think all of CPCs methods (lying) are ideal. However, not all of their claims are lies.

 

but you do;

you believe lying is wrong
you believe abortion is wrong

yet you believe lying (a wrong) is ok to stop an abortion (a wrong)

 

Still different from your original assertion that Kinsey was directly responsible. if you care to go back over the comments you will see that I have never denied he influenced the abortion debate, just as many others did. Including others listed in that book.

Your still making the cause and effect fallacy, why not the 'hospital abortion boards', or Mary S. Calderone' as the significant influence .. both are also mentioned in the link you gave, along with many others. The fact remains that there were numerous factors and people who were involved and influenced the abortion debate.

Rubbish, Learn your history please;

By the 1960s, the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion — a network of concerned pastors and rabbis, and feminist groups — had set up referral services to help women find safer illegal abortions.

In Chicago, a group of trained laywomen called the Abortion Counseling Service of the Chicago Women’s Liberation Union went even further, creating an underground feminist abortion service in 1963. The group, whose code name was Jane, provided safe, inexpensive, and supportive illegal abortions. Over a four-year period, the group provided more than 11,000 first- and second-trimester abortions with a safety record comparable to that of today’s legal medical facilities.

In the 1960s, inspired by the civil rights and antiwar movements, women organized a women’s liberation movement. They fought, marched and lobbied to make abortion safe and legal. At speak-outs, women talked publicly for the first time about their illegal abortion experiences.

The women’s movement, joined by sympathetic allies within the medical profession, made visible the millions of women who were willing to break the law and risk health and life to obtain an abortion. The movement also connected abortion rights to gender equality. - http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/health-info/u-s-abortion-history/

Proof please.

 

I never said that lying to stop an abortion is okay. Show me the quote where I said that.

 

You have said that throughout the entire thread....

 

fox has answered this very well.

 

Statistically states with "abstinence only" education have the highest teen pregnancy rates, as well as higher abortion rates than many states which don't introduce it - so no it doesn't work, but that's more or less irrelevant to the "pro life/pro choice" issue anyway.

 

Why do pro lifers support abstinence only education if it doesn't really work?

 

Interesting....you are telling us what is "Right and Wrong", yet no one believes it.

I suppose these "People" are not impressionable, or you might simply be bad at it.

 

Well, WHY do YOU?

 

For religious reasons