Putin Tells Ukrainian Military To Take Power

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When the Russians take over, the Ukrainian people will be free to choose their own president, and not be held hostage to Washington by the neo Nazi militias such as Azov, Rights Sector, Aider, etc..

    What's tricky is just how much of Ukraine will exist and are the people of Donetsk and Lugansk willing now that they are independent nations and recognized by Russia, to give up the lands they have gained after eight years of blood letting?

    For Ukraine to maintain an
    outlet to the Black Sea, will require a lot of negotiating and compromises. One of them should be to put all those involved in atrocities such as burning alive the protestors in Odessa and the bombing of cities, in front of firing squads. Then again, maybe hanging them in the town square would be better.
     
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    Stop trying to poison Oksana's mind with your Kremlin rot. She is here to learn the truth, and I commend her for that.
     
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    The latest from the war front:

    "...An American citizen who lives and works in Ukraine explains why the Russian Army has not yet occupied Ukraine. The reason is that they want the country to be free from damage at the end of the operation. They did not strike nor will they strike at political infrastructure, electricity networks, etc..."

    "...This is the exact opposite tactic to that applied by the US: When the Americans occupy a country, they first neutralize the political infrastructure networks and then simply march in. The Russians do not want that. Whenever they encounter resistance they simply retreat and encircle the area..."

    In the meantime, Kadyrov whose Chechnyans are stationed at the airport outside Kiev, said:

    "... Putin's strategy (of soft power, and trying to avoid hitting infrastructure and human casualties), is not working. Russia is losing too much and has to change tactics. He wants Putin to give the order so they could 'clean up'. In other words to finish the job quickly..."


     
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    Jeanette, this quote says just the opposite.

    “The president [Putin] took the right decision and we will carry out his orders under any circumstances,” said Kadyrov.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...y-says-forces-deployed-ukraine-to-back-russia
     
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    No results found for "An American citizen who lives and works in Ukraine explains why the Russian Army has not yet occupied Ukraine"

    No results found for "Putin's strategy (of soft power, and trying to avoid hitting infrastructure and human casualties), is not working"

    Got a source you can link there, Jenny?
     
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    Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Russia’s Chechnya region and an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has said Chechen fighters had been deployed in Ukraine, and he urged Ukrainians to overthrow their government.

    In a video posted online on Saturday, Kadyrov boasted that Chechen units had so far suffered no losses and said Russian forces could easily take large Ukrainian cities including the capital, Kyiv, but their task was to avoid loss of life.​

    Lulz. If his Chechen orcs haven't suffered any losses yet, either I'm Putin's nephew or they haven't been in a fight yet.
     
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    Pretty sure Ukraine has "orc" trademarked.
     
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    Oh, and this really gives me a chuckle:

    Kadyrov says Chechen units had so far suffered no losses and Russian forces took large Ukrainian cities including the capital Kyiv.

    This guy needs to learn to lie better.
     
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    The mayor of Kiev was quoted by the AP that Kiev was surrounded, before he said it was Russian lies.
     
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    "Surrounding" Kyiv and "taking" Kyiv are VERY different things.
     
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    Sure they are. Russia is not trying to "beat" Ukraine in the sense the US, for instance, would. Still, surrounded is not good from a Ukie perspective.
     
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    Leningrad endured. Kyiv will endure. If it ever comes to that.
     
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    That's funny! The Al Jazeera one was from 2 days ago. Mine came from Greek site today so maybe Kadyrov's reconsidering. Seems like his men are getting itchy. I doubt though Putin will change his mind. He didn't in Syria, so why would he do that in Ukraine?

    What's also funny is that Kadyrov was upset about the losses and things are not moving fast enough, while Alex Christoforou of the Duran gave a great analysis and compared it to the first Iraq war. He said that Iraq was only half the size of Ukraine and we went in with 300 thousand men and destroyed all the infrastructure and yet it took us 3 weeks.

    Russia went into Ukraine with only 50 thousand men and didn't touch any infrastructure, and yet was able to cover 47% of Ukraine in 3 days. Also Iraq had no support from other nations while Ukraine has support from so many nations.

    Anyway let's see what happens tomorrow at the peace meeting. Probably nothing. The minute Zalensky calls his bosses in Washington, that will be the end of that.
     
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    Didn't touch infrastructure? They launched missiles to blow up infrastructure the moment Putin's deranged speech wrapped up.
     
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    Look I'm not going to spend time looking for it. Today I went on to Sputnik, Greek Pronews, Greek Defensenet, and Greek Warnews. You can find it yourself, and while you're at it, you can give me a link for the following, because obviously someone's lying. I haven't read it anywhere.

    .Kadyrov says Chechen units had so far suffered no losses and Russian forces took large Ukrainian cities including the capital Kyiv.
     
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    Not right away. First, we will have to carry out educational work with the population - this will require several years. Keep in mind there for the last 8 years, children from elementary school have been taught to hate Russians.
    It meant that they did not touch the civilian infrastructure. The military infrastructure is destroyed in the first place, as announced at the beginning of the operation.
     
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    There's a difference between civilian infrastructure and military installations. Russia concentrated on Ukraine's military installations and to date it destroyed over 900.

    Now the hard part comes, entering and taking the cities while avoiding civilian casualties.
     
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    They will never take a city. Their entire populations are resisting.
     
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    You can be bothered to copy and paste it here, but you can't be bothered to post a link?

    hoookay..

    And no, I can't find it myself. As indicated, Google could not find it. I tried.
     
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    Here's what interests me. There is a convention for the treatment of prisoners of war. Ukraine claims 4.6k dead Russian soldiers and 300 prisoners.

    (It’s clear about the dead - they’re lying. According to statistics, in any war, there are 3-4 wounded for 1 killed. There is no data on hospitals for 10-15 thousand people)

    But what about prisoners of war? There are videos - but there literally 5 people are shown as prisoners of war. If, after the end of the operation, Ukraine cannot return 300 prisoners, will this mean that they were killed? ;-) What punishment awaits the military of Ukraine for the destruction of prisoners of war?
     
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    Oh, apologies. You were asking about a link to what I had quoted. It was from Woogs's link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al...y-says-forces-deployed-ukraine-to-back-russia
     
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    Last I’ve heard, Russians are retreating from north and west. :lol:
     
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    another of the consequences of the distribution of weapons in Kyiv
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    Pay attention to the registration number. Black - military Ukrainian.
    It seems that the armed citizens mistook the bus for the transport of saboteurs .... or they simply do not like the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
     
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    You know, your use of photos and videos like this merely demonstrates one of the purposes of the Russian saboteur groups in Kyiv. In addition to causing problems for the defenders, Kremlin propagandists use the chaos created by these guys to spin lies about what is happening in Kyiv and claim that there are friendly-fire incidents and armed citizens attacking Ukrainian forces.
     
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    They died of Covid-19.
    :smoking:
     
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