Question concerning West Bank

DNA proves many Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are descended from ancient Israelites. About 50% of Ashkenazi genetics is from ancient Israel.

 

This is just plain silly logic.

Nobody has to sign up for loving or hating everything one state does.

What I don't accept about Zionism is its use in justifying criminal behavior in the state of Palestine.

There are other issues with Israel, of course. It's general direction of apartheid is disgusting. It's strong move away from democracy is a serious problem for them at home, but it also affects the world.

I'd point out that there are a lot of Israeli citizens who agree with the above.

There are also Jewish groups in the USA who object to Israel's direction on all these issues, and are beginning to speak out.

 

Totally not relevant. Jews constantly toss in that they got a racist right to claim the lands above other ethnicities, since their ethnicity have lived there the longest, and find this a justification to their racist thieving / ethnic cleansing ways. While the fact is that the DNA of the Palestinians shows that the have always lived there as far as it can be traced back. This uproots the idea that Jews got a justification to their racist thieving ways.

While also important to note that there is no such thing a real estate rights based on ethnic background.

 

There is no genetic study claiming that the Palestinians have the oldest genetics connected to Palestine.

 

That is absolute nonsense.

Bulldozing someone's home, stealing their land, taking water rights, denying them representation in the government being imposed on them, moving Israelis into land that has been confiscated - these include acts of WAR let alone violence.

This last week has seen Israelis in West Bank storming Palestinian cities, burning homes and other property. Israel can't even make a strong statement about that, let alone pursue these crimes.


Crimes are to be prosecuted by police, detectives and a system of justice. Israel absolutely DOES take that action against crimes committed by Palestinians.

When Israelis are the ones committing the crimes, there is NO ACTION.

So, the big deal taken by the Biden administration concerning West Bank is a statement about Israeli's move away from democracy in Israel that then included a small additional comment that Israel should compensate Palestinians for their property when they STEAL IT!

 

I never stated that. I've stated the Palestinians got a genetic link with the region going back as far as scientists are able to go back.

While you clearly first tossed in that there is a very old Jewish connecting to the area insinuating that the Palestinians don't have it. This goes along the often enough told theme that Jews get a right to "take back their country", and so it's justified to ethnically cleanse around.

There is no such right in the first place.
And it's a flat out Jewish lie that Palestinians do not have that ancient connection.

 

The residences of ancient peoples are not a justification for military conquest today.

 

For thousands of years Christian and Muslim rulers persecuted their Jewish minority, in Europe and in the Middle East. Seems to only make sense that they be given a tiny piece of land as compensation for all of their suffering.

 

What 1000's of years of Muslim persecution? Islam hasn't been around for 1000's of years!

The problem with you guys is that you can indeed drag in that Muhammed was violent against Jews, but are eager to forget that they double crossed him during a war. And you could claim that they kicked out Algerian Jews, but are eager to forget that Algerian Jews accepted French citizenships to help out their thug racist colonial powers with oppressing Muslims to be 2nd class citizens in their own country. So you know, there is that.

And indeed. Jews were persecuted all over in Europe. They found their refuge in Muslim nations. And after the Holocaust, it's sick to claim Jews should be compensated by the Muslims and letting the Jew ethnically cleanse them from their ancestral homes.

 

During the more than 1,000 years of Muslim rule in North Africa and the Middle East, Jews frequently suffered extreme discrimination, expulsions, massacres, and pogroms, at the hands of the ruling Muslims. This was all centuries before Zionism was a mere concept.

The Jews of Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, all suffered under these conditions. They all suffered from persecution and pogroms.

Doubt this? Read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._of_Israel#Middle_Ages_.28636.E2.80.931517.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Morocco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_algeria#Muslim_dominance_era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_jews_in_egypt#Arab_rule_.28641_to_1250.29




Palestine is a tiny weeny little slice of the Middle East, seems like fair compensation for the persecution the Jews suffered from the Muslims.



.....Mind you, I still do think Israel is an Apartheid state.

 

That original land was stolen from the population living there.

But, that is NOT the issue.

The issue today is that Israel is carrying out heinous atrocities against the people of Palestine - IN PALESTINE.

 

ARE YOU SERIOUS???

You want to lock up Palestinian families in Palestine and then have Israelis take out their years of hate on this population?

Is that what you would suggest for punishment of Americans for years of death wrecked upon our native population?

Is that what you would suggest for the punishment of the white population of South Africa for their apartheid rule of torture and slaughter against the native population?

Where do you GET these ideas of yours?


Oh, wait. I know where you got it:
Israeli National Security Committee head says: ‘A closed, burnt Huwara – that’s what I want to see’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-ne...lawmaker-backs-unprecedented-settler-rampage/

 

It reads:
During waves of persecution in Medieval Europe, many Jews found refuge in Muslim lands.

The third major Jewish tribe in Medina, Banu Qurayza was eliminated after betraying the Muslims during the Battle of the Trench. However, there were many Jewish communities in Medina who continued to live in Medina peacefully after these events such as Banu Awf, Banu Harith, Banu Jusham Banu Alfageer, Banu Najjar, Banu Sa'ida, and Banu Shutayba.

During the Middle Ages, Jewish people under Muslim rule experienced tolerance and integration. Social integration allowed Jews to make great advances in new fields, including mathematics, astronomy, philosophy, chemistry and philology,[9] with some even gaining political power under Islamic rule

The Ottoman Empire served as a refuge for Jewish refugees from Spanish empire, especially after the fall of Muslim Spain in 1492 and Edict of Expulsion.

So yeah... "1,000's of years of persecution". For sure!

It's sick to read that you think innocent random Muslims must be ethnically cleansed for the sake of " compensating" a wrong that happened 1500 years ago 100's if not 1000's of miles somewhere else.
But that's the logic of people who support Israel and their ethnic cleansing Jews. Always coming up with an excuse to go and commit war crimes and demand this war crime is morally right in every way. Rejecting this sick norm often enough ends up being called a nazi / anti-semitic.

I mean. According to your logic, people should be allowed to take the money from a random Jew because Bernard Madoff stole billions. As a matter of fact, what punishment should Jews get for being the ones responsible for the death of Jesus? The bible blames the Jews over it. So don't go shoot the messenger.

Of course it is. The day that Palestinians are allowed by Israel to remove a Jew so they thieve their land they did not buy from the owner, is never going to happen.... not in the way the Jews have been at it for decades on end without giving any hint that they will ever stop with it.

 

I dont support ethnic cleaning, dont but words in my mouth, champ.

I simply said that tiny teeny Palestine was fair compensation for 1,000 years of persecution at the hands of the Muslems.

 

You actually also tossed in that the Jew must also be compensated with land for what the Christians did to them.

And the land isn't vacant at all. So it does mean you are suggesting that the totally innocent non Jews must be ethnically cleansed for the sake that a Jew was wronged 1.500 years ago, 1000's of miles away.

What about Christianity and their trauma that the Jews killed the son of God? What about their compensation?

And that the Jews were persecuted by Muslims for so long... your source says no to that opinion. So your logic a war crime is acceptable is founded on lies. And I dunno why a Muslim must be paying the price for the Holocaust. The logic you display is just disgusting, and with all respect it's just fanatically racist, but typical.


So what's the compensation for Africa, being ruled by thug racist white people? All them Aryans and Jews ran off with their riches after centuries of slaving them around. Hacking off hands left and right for not meeting quota's. Raping women, so their children could be sold off for profits.

 

There are NUMEROUS cases where peoples of today don't get to draw the lines used in ancient times where there ancestors lived.

Are you suggesting that Cherokee Nation should be allowed that?


Most importantly, no border claims or historic events could POSSIBLY justify the heinous atrocities Israel is perpetrating on the Palestinian people.

 

You think the Jews owe Christians compensation for "killing Christ"?????

I think thats what the Holocaust was.

 

Oh, good lord. There are far too many separate reasons for that to be no more than nutty.

 

I am asking you this question.

Aha. So you're saying the holocaust is a compensation for Christians because the Jews killed the son of their God.
Got it. Sick, unusually mind blowing, but got it.

It's basically whatever insanity it takes for the sake that the Jew gets to thieve the property of non Jews for being non Jews in Israel and Palestine at gun point and call it totally justified.

 

Your use of the term "The Jew" is similar to how Hitler would talk. Except he would talk about the evil ways of "Der Jude".

 

Several of my family members, my grandfather's mother, father, sister and brother were murdered by Hitler with the help of Democrat bigots denying asylum to Jews. Your use of their fate to score cheap political points is disgusting.

 

Meh, the Israelis and Palestinians deserve each other. Both sides are motivated by hateful/ignorant ideologies and religions.

 

Re:

You're right.

It seems like every time apologists for Israel's war crimes, ethnic cleansing and land theft get frustrated trying to excuse the inexcusable, they immediate resort to what Shulamit Aloni calls "The Trick":

EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

Shulamit Aloni
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm

You know that your point is beyond rebuttal when the other individual starts howling "anti Semite", "Neo Nazi", "Jew hater" etc.

On a more positive note, it's encouraging that more and more Israelis are condemning Netanyahu's Right Wing extremists since with the Netanyahu regime in power the violence will only get worse.

Thanks,

 

lol
Your ran out of your ways to find sympathy for the Jewish cause of ethnic cleansing Arabs for being Arabs. And so you're personally attacking the opponent of ethnic cleansing by calling it at he biggest nazi ever.

It's a typical way of people who support Jews to ethnic cleansing Arabs though.... after you wrongfully accused them of persecuting Jews for "1000's of years".

 

LOL!!! Are you trying to be ironic???