Question concerning West Bank

I guess you're right the Muslims have only discriminated against and persecuted Jews for about 1100 years.

Yes they have treated Jews better than the white Christians did, but that's like saying the Warsaw ghetto was better than Auschwitz.

 

The murder of your alleged family during the holocaust has nothing to do with my post. You're just using them to score cheap points.

 

After the Nakba we saw how quickly the persecuted can become the persecutors .

 

Oh this stuff has been going on for quiet some time. There was a manual out and a massive budget from Israel for the sake to promote the country online. And subsequently there was a list made so people can check the boxes to see how the shoe is fitting. And you get things like:

10. Like to ask the questions, not answer questions
14. Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier

https://hasbarabuster.quora.com/HAS...knows-best-3-Condescending-Patronising-4-Soci

 

Huh? I quoted a whole bunch of lines from YOUR OWN sources saying how well the Muslims treated the Jews. lol
Seems you're literally blind with rage against the Muslims and can't see the truth that's for all to see.

Warsaw and Auschwitz have nothing to do with Muslims.


Most importantly. You're still on this sick argument that just because Jews were for trying to get Muhammed and all his men murdered by being very very sneaking and switching sides during a war to stab them in their back, and subsequently got punished according to their own Jewish laws, it doesn't give any rightful claim that totally innocent Muslims 1100 years later miles away should be ethnically cleansed over it, which is also collective punishment.

Both are war crimes, and you keep on being supportive of this. And I add:
You're making it sound that this is typical ethnic Israeli Jewish thing to support.

 

If the Nazis had made it to Palestine they would have rounded up all the Jews and the Muslims would have happily helped them.

Their Nazi Mufti would have led the way. With his 2 Muslim SS units.

 

You say this, while there were 12,000 Palestinians fighting against Hitler.

And one thing would be sure. If Hitler didn't have that hatred against Jews, but against the Muslims,.. than Jews wouldn't have any problems with it.
In fact. The Jews were glad to get rid of their Algerian nationality for the sake to help out the French violently oppress their own Muslim neighbors in a brutal barbaric war getting a million people killed or 1/6 of a holocaust.... by ways of tossing them out of the helicopter with concrete strapped around them. Locking them up and starve them to death, burying alive, raping women, disembowelment them when pregnant. You know... your typical thug colonial thing.

And you lot whitewash what the Jews helped out with, by claiming the Muslims terrorized them out of "their" country. All the Muslims did was getting rid of non Algerians illegal aliens who were very supportive of war crimes.



You know how many Muslims aided the allied? They came by the 100,000's from northern Africa to fight and liberate France. And this is how France behaved, and the ethnic Algerian Jews with their French citizenships helped them out. That Grand Mufti didn't come close to what happened there. Not in the same ballpark.

 

So in your mind Jews who had lived in Algeria for hundreds of years were illegal aliens?? LOL

I guess in your mind the Jews who lived in Syria and Iraq and Egypt and Morocco were also not natives. They were foreign Jews, even if their families had lived there for thousands or hundreds of years.

Gotcha. So much for the so-called "tolerance" of Islam.

 

Typical Islamo-extremist propoganda. Jews who lived in Muslim lands for hundreds of year, suddenly became non-native illegal aliens.

Jews have lived in Algeria since Roman times. But like all other anti-Semites, their right to live in their land was quickly stripped away by Islamo-Fascists, because they were Jews and people hate Jews.

This is why its a fair idea to give the Jews a tiny eeny weeny bit of the Muslim world, for a Jewish state. More than in Europe as Jews have lived in the Middle East for 3,000 years, but only in Europe for say 1,800 years.

And yes, Algeria was THEIR country. They had the natural and human right to live there, according to international law and the Geneva Conventions. If its ok to strip native Jews of their citizenship and right to live in their homeland and call them "illegal aliens", you pretty much just justified how the Palestinians were treated by the Zionists.

 

Indeed. Because they were French citizens, and not Algerian citizens. They switched sides for the sake to barbarically oppress Arabs and stab them in the back. It's just like what they did to Muhammed back in the day.

I do believe the Jews were banned from leaving Iraq. And the Jews did false flag attacks on their fellow Jews in Iraq as well as in Egypt, to scare Jews out of the country. They caught the Jews doing that in Iraq. While Israel admitted having Jews to commit false flag operations in Egypt.

You're aware that some question the loyalty of their Jewish fellow citizens.
The opinion is based on what Jews did to Muhammed, to Algerian Arabs, in Egypt as well as in Iraq... and come to think about it: also Iran.
They paid Iranian Jews to become Israeli citizens.

 

@Ronstar and @WillReadmore please answer two questions:

1. Have you ever tried to read something that's not anti-Israel? Like books and essays by known Zionist ideologues, or articles published on sites of organizations like Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting and Analysis, or Honest Reporting? UN Watch? David Collier's blog? Harry's Place? Anything?

2. Have you ever wondered why, when Jordan ruled West Bank and Egypt had Gaza, nobody in the Arab world or the international community, including Palestinians themselves, ever asked those two countries to give the supposedly native Palestinian nation an independent country on their supposedly ancient lands? Why did everyone suddenly asked Israel, and only Israel, to make painful territorial concessions for Palestinians, while nobody cared about same Palestinians during Jordanian and Egyptian rule? Why was the PLO founded in 1964, and why did they only attack Israel, if more than half of Palestine was not under Israeli control back then?

 

It happened when they took 1st class citizenship rights with their French nationality unlike the Muslims.

pure Zionistic extremist propaganda. The Jews accepted 1st class French citizenship and helped out the France treat Arabs downright insanely barbaric, and killed a million of them. We're talking slavery and concentration camps. But when the dust settled, All the 1.4 million French citizens were kicked out of Algeria. Not because 110.000 Jews were among them, but because they were French. And the French belong in France, not in an independent Algeria.

They became French citizens in 1870's. The French were kicked out of Algeria in the 1960's when Algeria was no longer French. This is according to the GC.
While the Palestinians weren't French or had an other nationality. The Jew stripped them of the only nationality they got, and that's illegal according to the GC.

 

Disgusting how you justify and excuse ethnic cleaning and discrimination, all in direct violation of the Geneva convention and international law. Makes your claims about the Palestinians all hypocritical nonsense bullshit.

 

While Jordan rule the West Bank, the Palestinians were given equal rights and equal citizenship and were treated like first class members of society. There was no extreme reason to create a separate Palestinian State as they were treated the way they should be.

 

Changing nationalities is according to the GC / international law, and it comes with the consequence where you can and can not live.

Jews stripped the Arabs from their only citizenship for being Arabs. That's where there is a massive difference.

 

Stripping the non-Muslim citizens of Algeria of their citizenship and right to live in their homeland, was an extreme violation of the international law and the UN Charter. Regardless of what France did or did not do.

You calling the Jews of Algeria, "non-native illegal aliens", simply cause France gave them French citizenship, is utter hypocrisy considering your never-ending complaints about Israeli treatment of Arabs.

The Jews of Algeria were VERY native, very much not aliens, and had every legal right to continue to live and thrive in Algeria under international law.

But I love the fact that while you complain about Jews taking rights way from Arabs, you think it was perfectly fine for Muslims to do this to Jews in Algeria, Morocco, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, etc. Hypocrisy is ironic sometimes.

 

After 1948, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, all passed laws stripping Jews of their citizenship, passing severe restrictions like the Nazi Nuremberg Laws, or both.

And they have the balls to complain about Israel. Hypocrite bigots.

 

1. absolutely. I've read histories. I also read various Israeli news sources, study Israeli maps of West Bank, etc.

2. Israel has not made any "concession". So, I don't know what you are talking about here.

However, it is clear that Palestinians were relatively at peace with their representation in Palestine before the UN decided to put Palestinians under the rule of a new country called Israel - a monumental taking which happened without even consulting or notifying or in any way compensating those so seriously affected.

 

It's getting utterly retarded to claim them Jews with their French citizenships were stripped from having a citizenship of a nation that did not exist at that time. Them zionistic lies are getting dumber and dumber. France included the European and African area's as 1 nation. There was no Algeria, until the Arabs forged it out of nothing. And THAN the French were kicked out. Nothing anti-semitic about it. All the French regardless to what ethnicity and who got born where, were kicked out. For instance, it would include 3rd generation ex-Parisian white Catholics immigrant just as easy. Nothing says that those people got rights to that nationality, since they already had one.

That's besides your entire rant of them Arabs being anti-semitic is just insane and flat out racist, but typical zionistic. All French were treated the same. And than the Jews, lots of them went to Israel and went on where they started: mistreating the Arab population in an apartheid way.

The Palestinians do not have any kind of other nationality, so there is no hypocrisy.

Their citizenships says no, under international law.

The Palestinians do not have any kind of other nationality, so there is no hypocrisy.

 

Sorry for the delay, I've been busy.

So, you're saying that only an extreme reason can make a people want a national state. But, Gaza had been under Egyptian military rule from 1948 to 1967 with nary a word of complaint from both Palestinians or the international community. Neither the Palestinians in Jordan, nor the stateless Palestinians in Gaza itself, have ever protested against the Egyptian military occupation of Gaza. Instead, Palestinians from both places happily enrolled in terrorist organizations and committed terror attacks in Israel. Why?

You didn't answer the other questions in my post.

You clearly haven't read any writings by known Zionists, or pro-Israel writings.

Why was the PLO founded in 1964?

 

1. What are you sources for the history of the region? For the definition of Zionism? For the absolutely ridiculous claim that Israel uses mercenaries?

2. I was being sarcastic, but yes, Israel has made territorial concessions.

Please share some details about the Palestinians' representation in Palestine before 1948.

UN didn't make Israel. Israel made itself.

3. What about Palestinians not asking for a state on the territories they claim today, when those territories were ruled by Jordan and Gaza? Why didn't they? Why was the PLO founded in 1964?

 

Those bits of history do not justify Israel's actions of today.

I'm not here to castigate either side for "original sin", though I would point out that your version is highly dependent on ignoring ANY human rights that residents of the region had while also ignoring all limits of the boundaries of Israel.

I think it's pretty easy to see why Palestinians didn't ask for a state at the time that the UN gave much of their land to Israel. Who would they apply to? Israel and the USA and others excluded them from the UN. So, suggesting that they should have applied to the UN, Israel, Jordan, or the USA is just plain silly.

So, now you claim they have no rights, because years ago they didn't apply to ... someone ... for being allowed to live where they are and have representation in their own government???

This is the kind of logic Israel uses to justify their actions TODAY.

Still, that's water under the bridge.

Today, Palestinians need to be recognized by Israel as being human beings with the rights of human beings.

And, that is NOT happening.

 

The problem with Israel is that they refuse to acknowledge Palestine as a nation, and so they deliberately create an unequal playing field.
And It's not as if Palestine doesn't recognize Israel. It does with the borders of 1967, like the rest of the world. They do refuse to recognize Israel as the ethnic state of Jews, but so what.

To get that peace process going, the US gets dragged in. The US who also refuses to acknowledge Palestine as a nation, and fanatically has armed Israel so Israel can fanatically expand their war criminal colonies in the West Bank. 10% of the Jews illegally living inside the West Bank are Jewish US citizens even. So the US is neck deep part of the war criminal enterprise that the Jews/Israel commits.

And not having a peaceful relationship with Palestine, serves Israel... since according to their logic... it means they can go forth expanding their war criminal ways of expanding their colonies. And while the US does not approve of it verbally, they keep on paying Israel to make it happen by the billions a year while American citizens are physically there to make it happen.


While the entire idea that you may not use violence to resist being invaded, is just insane.
Everybody found Nelson Mandela a hero for violently resisting a racist oppressive regime, except the regime itself and the US agreed with that regime and found Mandela to be a terrorist. An opinion they back peddled on decades after the end of the apartheid regime in South Africa.

 

Amen.

When I visited Winnie Mandela's house in Soweto some years ago (a government property, no longer her residence at the time) there was a framed copy of George HW Bush's letter to South Africa stating US dedication to the permanence of the white government of South Africa.

I love the US, but there is no question about the US being dead wrong on international policy in a good number of cases - our dedicated support of Israeli policy against Palestinians being one more of those cases where we are once again establishing the hypocrisy of our statements of belief in rule of law, equality, representation of the people, etc.

 

After the Holocaust, forming a Jewish state seemed like the moral thing for the world to do. If the Palestinians were not so full of hate and intolerance, they could have had a good life with the Jewish state, but that is not met to be. The Palestinians seem to want to be victims and pawns for outside power brokers who really don't care about their issues.

I know a coin dealer, who is anti-Israel, who says that the Jewish state should have been carved out of Central Europe. Given that Russia was forming the Eastern block at the time, that was not a viable option.