Reagan has a word about Iran's nukes

Are you familiar with the courtroom objection "Assumes facts not in evidence...?" That's essentially the point I made.

 

I remain unpersuaded.

 

Isn't that a perfect summary of what the current spin on Iran's 'nuclear ambitions' is? Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. As we discovered with Iraq and the magic, evaporating WMD.

 

Nope, I dont expect you, especially you, to treat anything with respect. I would have hoped though that you would address the information he used, ie the historical points. If you dont like his analysis, that's fine (seems quite good to me) but the facts are all that count.

If it had information, I would.

Sure. I'm sure foreign affairs makes the cut. If not, you're just a little too picky.

You have not shown that it is powerful enough to be acted upon let alone embraced. If this were the intention of the Iranian regime, it makes absolutely no sense. The crux of your whole argument rests on this documentary as evidence that they've just gone wacko randomly, which it doesn't indicate. It could be as much an attempt to radically inspire obedience in the regime and regional support for Iran as it could be propaganda for a war. So far you have no coherent argument. Nothing you have shown gives evidence to your claim they are actively attempting to further these events through violence.

Tell me about it

Did he say he was? Why would you deny such a radically uplifting title if people are willing to revere you just from its suggestion? Again this isnt the evidence you need to show these people take this stuff seriously in terms of policy making.

That isnt an answer. Why did the Iranian halt the Iranian nuclear programs when the Islamists came to power? If they truly sought the conflict you speak isnt this kind of stupid? Furthermore, why did they ingratiate themselves in international efforts to limit such proliferation? Why only after they were threatened by Israel did they change their minds?

You dont need intelligence. American intelligence is often shoddy anyway. Analyzing their actions and policy announcement gives a clear enough indication.

LOL You missed the point - the entire regime's focus is maintaining control. Its chief objectives are retaining civil obedience - not apocalyptic warfare.

Speaks for itself to what end? It shows the social division that exists.

 

Why is that?

 

First of all, there is no "we." Brits are alone in the world. Hopefully Germany won't eat Britain's lunch.

Secondly, the mistake in Iraq is why Iran will be able to acquire nuclear weapons. I'm not interested in stopping Iran through force. The Genie is out of the bottle as it were. Pakistan is has more nuclear weapons than Britain and is building them at a furious pace. North Korea is working overtime as well. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is over as soon as Iran gets the bomb.

Why in god's name does Iran have fifty kilograms of uranium enriched to the 20% level. They have enough HEU now to get to the 90% level for the core of a warhead or two. They have the materials. It's a matter of time until they reach bomb grade. Btw, commercial use only requires enrichment to the 4% level.

 

20% enrichment is up to medical usage levels.

 

Nice try. Then tell me why Iran has accumulated seven years supply of 20% HEU for the single medical reactor America supplied to Iran so many years ago? Tell me why Iran didn't accept the western offer to provide it with HEU for the medical reactor if it would transfer its HEU to Russia for processing.

 

I have no idea. I guess you do though-must be for nukes, right? Even if they are developing a nuclear weapon I see no reason why they shouldn't. Of course the spin from the west guarantees that the real reason for the antipathy to the regime-the need for continuance of the imbalance of power in the region-is sustained and obscured from public perception, whilst the 'Iran is evil' propaganda is emphasised. Gaining a nuke gives Iran the political leverage the west doesn't want to lose themselves.

 

Aww..so sawwy for Iwan. They are just an poor, innocent country having injustice inflicted upon them at the hands of the evil imperialistic west and a bomb will finally give them the leverage to free themselves from the West's evil influence.

Just whose side are you on anyway?

Let me remind you what Bush said. You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists and since you are obviously not for this side....

You don't just get to sit out on the Clash of Civilizations.

 

I don't take sides; I'm an adult and perfectly able to reach an impartial, non-partisan position whilst ignoring government spin. Having said that I would certainly not side with a deceitful, warmongering liar like Mr. Rhetoric, George W. Bush.

What is this 'Clash of Civilisations'? Did it star Charlton Heston?

 

Prince Turki al Faisal of the House of Saud has stated that Saudi Arabia will acquire nuclear weapons if Iran does. Do you see how proliferation works? Saudi Arabia will want to restore "balance" when Iran goes nuclear.

In twenty years time there will be many more nuclear weapons states. A nightmare world is being born and you're in the cheering section.

 

To an extent I agree with you-nuclear weapons are an abomination and ALL should be dismantled and destroyed. However the old saying about geese and ganders, and what is good for them both, applies while one nation seeks power over another.

 

When Iran goes nuclear the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is over. That is the price to be paid.

Is your support for Iranian nuclear weapons all about Israel and the Palestinians? It seems like that is the overriding consideration for western leftists.

 

Well, seeing as Israel seems to be the one throwing all the threats around I'd hazard a guess that their intentions are not entirely honourable-so, in a word, yes.

 

This seems to be the motivation among western leftists for support for the Iranian nuclear program. It's also the reason why western leftists seem to detest America. I know you like Americans and hate our policies. But we elect the people who make our policies so we really are responsible.

 

Yes, but you have to consider neither the US or Russian conflicts were motivated by religious extremists. Both Israel and Iran have religious extremists running their governments. Both countries have a population that live strictly by their belifs and both have proven they are willing to die for them. You can't compare the situation between the US and Russia to what is happening now.

 

Which leftists are those? I cant think of one who supports Iran making them.

Well I'm not left wing, and the reason why I detest American FOREIGN POLICY (NOT America) is because its blatantly criminal activities.

To an extent. The fact is Americans simply dont know half the stuff their state does. The media and government propaganda is attuned to sustain that culture of apathy and faith in the government. Britney Spears' 'I think we should just trust our president" is perhaps the best personification of this tendency. Whether ignorance is an argument to innocence, which I think it can be to a degree, the American public aren't chiefly to blame.

 

You convey a dislike for America and Americans even if that is not what you intend. You have a style of communication which makes people believe you are hostile to them and their nation.

 

How so?

Have you considered it could merely be your own reluctance to entertain concentration on my comments?

 

LOL, nothing like reading nonsense from a 20-year old 12,000 miles away trying to portray the actions of the US government as purely "bad."

Ahhhhh....to be young and...

 

Your posts are repetitious, boring, nonsense. Why would anyone bother?

 

Like the one where you called me a liar and I gave links to prove my points to which you never responded? Yes, nonsense indeed.

 

I don't like your choppy style. It's annoying.

How so? You engage in an artificial and imo disingenuous intellectual construct that it is possible to separate Americans from America and America's actions in the world. This is intellectually dishonest.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of my post which included the Youtube video on The Coming Is Upon Us that you refused to watch. That happened yesterday.