Really, What's the Differnce Between Taxes and Theft?

The difference between taxes and theft is that all civilised peoples pay taxes to maintain civilization whereas thieves hate paying taxes on what they've got by thieving. The founders of the USA. for instance, had been saved by their King and his soldiers from real taxation under French rule or a just death at the hands of those whose land they'd stolen - but they were determined to continue to live off stolen land and stolen labour and pay a minimum for so doing, and therefore went back on all their legal obligations to keep on thieving.

 

Are you complaining about a private property owner charging a toll for using his own private road? Why should he subsidize you, you greedy leech-merchant?

 

So, what makes you any better than the ultra-conservative?

The 92 year old lady had many years to save and family, friends, churches and voluntary charities to help her.

 

Yes this is true. There are expenses that we all pay that do not directly benefit the individual. But they benefit someone else. Sending a child to college has no direct benefit for the parent yet they pay it. A family that has no school age children still pays a tax that goes toward schools. Shared expense as a nation. We will not always be able to decide what we want to spend the money on. A spouse buys new drapes because they like them we may not. Oh well.

 

Typical Left wing superciliousness. We know what's good for you even if you don't.

And yet the banks were blasted over and over for holding on to that capital instead of lending it out. This is an example of how Leftist ideas never net the result that's intended.

Nonsense. GM and Chrysler wouldn't have winked out of existence because their products are too popular. The free market already has mechanisms in place for this senario. Had we left it alone, the assets would have been bought up by investors, restructured, and rehabilitated. Too big to fail is a concept that exists independent of government intervention.

Nonsense again. Government can't pump money into the economy that it first doesn't extract from it. Because businesses know better how to invest money, that money would have been better off left in the private sector. As is, each job that was created cost a million dollars and 2 other jobs. The net loss from the Obama jobs program is staggering.

People are so simple minded. They don't see how the money goes to them until....the money goes to them.

Actually, GM closed down several of their dealership contracts in spite of the bailout. Wrong again.

The car salesman would have qualified for food stamps if he lost his job. The grocery store would have gotten their money either way. Wrong again.

You chose to stay on safe ground by using grocery stores as an example. No matter how much people struggle, they always manage to buy groceries. You chose an industry that doesn't suffer during recessions and ignored many other industries that do when disposable income wanes.

Considering that it's now a fact that conservatives give more out of their own pockets to charity than liberals, I hardly see how we're ignoring the poor. On the flip side, the FDR "war on poverty" has increased, spread, perpetuated, and generationalized poverty. I would say based on the data that liberals hate the poor, not conservatives.

It would seem that during the great depression, entire American cities should have been burned to the ground, the streets overrun by desperate criminals.

That study is pure dog (*)(*)(*)(*) (not bull (*)(*)(*)(*) because bull (*)(*)(*)(*) is actually useful). If you take $100 out of a grocery store cash register and hand it to people coming in to buy groceries with, the grocery store does not get back $100, much less profit from the transaction. They net a loss and would have been much better off if they could keep the money to begin with. If this outlandish 184% ROI was possible, as your DS study indicates, then why don't we double, or even triple the number of people on food stamps and watch in delight as our economy sails out of malaise? Ridiculous!

And yet you use Amtrack, a project that loses $40 million a year as an example of a self sustaining socialist project?

PBS and NPR are both left wing propaganda outlets that force taxpayers who may not agree with their socialist dogma to support it against their will. They should be scrapped immediately.

Ha! There are none so blind as those who won't see.

No we aren't. When we exact reciprocity on nations that attack us, like Afghanistan, we are under no obligation to repair the damage. And we had no business invading Iraq whatsoever.

Wanna bet?

Actually, that would deter any nation that doesn't want to get bombed into the stone age from harboring terrorists in the future.

The UN has nothing to do with oil prices except when they form corrupt liasons with Saddam Hussein in price fixing scandals. The U.N. is, by most generous assessments, worthless; and by less generous assessments, dangerous. We should withdraw our membership, evict them from New York, and sell the building to the highest bidder. And I mean yesterday!

Speaking of which, maybe you might benefit by using your spellcheck utility. None of these programs are beneficial whatsoever and our economy will rocket into recovery as soon as government gets out of our way.

 

If you make an income in America, you are using Government provided resources either directly or indirectly. Not paying for that would be theft. So stop trying to be freeloaders and pay your taxes!!

 

Her church and friends DO help her.

But no one would pay her rent, just as no one paid rent BEFORE there was Section 8, and elderly were homeless and dying on cold nights, or jammed into "poor farms" that were worse than jails. And more expensive than Section 8!

For the sake of spending about $400/month, this old lady is not in the street or a Medicare home consuming FAR MORE money in services or troubles.

It is a deal, and should be the LAST program cut, not the FIRST!

 

There are a host of differences...

1. The 'who'...theft is when a private individual sees your wealth and conspires to take it by scheme or threat of force. Taxes are when government sees your wealth and conspires to take it by scheme or threat of force.
2. A thief cannot jail you for resisting...government can and will
3. A thief acts once and is gone...government is perpetual and never goes away
4. A thief can be punished for his theft...government is never punished
5. A thief has limited means to steal...Government has an unlimited budget for their schemes
6. The language of the activity is different...The thief says "stand and deliver"...Government says "we are here to help"

I can go on...Lots of differences. The thief is far more moral and less destructive to society than a rapacious government.

 

Education and welfare come to mind...the first is way overpriced for the result and the second is simply unconstitutional.

 

Proof please? No? Thought so.

 

You jest, of course...are you claiming education actually 'educates' commiserate with its price?

 

I was more referring to your "unconstitutional" claim.

 

Not exactly an enumerated power..You know..like

Nothing about redistributing wealth, education, or welfare except as the left has perverted intent.

 

That's the kind of circular logic that defines the Left. Government has no resources it didn't first extract from the private sector, so resources, necessarily originate from people, not the government.

 

So what? It doesn't say we CAN'T do that either.

 

So if I sneak into your house and steal your money, then leave, is that theft?

If the men in blue suits rage into your house, handcuff you, and throw you in jail because you refused to give them money, is that theft?

 

False, USD does not originate from the people. And yes the Govt has resources. It represents every resource in America. Pay your taxes!

 

Yes, which is why you're in jail!

 

Your preaching is questionable by the very fact that there is nearly a 50% chance that you don't pay any federal income tax at all which makes you a zero liability voter. And the USD is not wealth, it only represents wealth. Wealth comes from people and the government prints money to document it. Government never creates wealth. Only people can do that.

 

So it's only not theft for the men in blue suits if they work for the government?

 

I'm always amazed and perplexed by those who side with the oppressor. Take this same person, akphidelt, and put him/her in Nazi Germany in 1939 and I can absolutely guarantee who they will side with. Akphidelt is the type of person that would seek out Jews in hiding and alert the nazis. It's scary how evil manifests itself when given the opportunity and the restraints fall away.

 

You have an obligation to this country whether you want one or not. The country as a whole chooses to provide certain functions, in which to better society. If you don't like those functions, than vote... but regardless we do not live in LibertarianFTW's world, we live in America.

Pay your taxes or go to jail... wannabe freeloader!!

 

I probably pay more taxes in a year than you make. The Government isn't a person, it doesn't have arms or legs. However, the 22 million public employees that go around the economy buying goods and services most definitely attribute to wealth creation.

Stop being an anti-American... and pay your taxes. If you want to live in an uncivilized country than move to Mexico.

 

I'll take that at face value. I make $40k/yr, work hard to support my family, and after taking all my deductions including my 3 and 8 year old little tax credits, I owe nothing to the IRS. I have no guilt over this as I am morally obligated to pay as little in taxes as possible in order to best support my family.

No, but it has guns and tanks.

Absolutely wrong! Because their salaries are taken from the private sector before they put back into it, they are a net loss and certainly don't create new wealth.

It's actually very American to resist high taxation. We've been doing that ever since we kicked out the red-coats.

 

Well thanks for being honest. Let's just say I make a decent amount of money, and being a young single male with no kids... I pay a hefty rate with no credits.

Used by American's.

Not all their salaries are taken from the private sector. And of course they do. Like I said, when 22 million individuals go out renting apartments, buying cars, phones, etc. That leads to new wealth. The velocity of money is how we gauge economic effectiveness. The money does not stop once a Government employee receives it... it ends up in yours and my pockets directly or indirectly. Trust me, the public sector does more good for the private sector and the American people than having just a private sector

Yea, unjust taxation. We have incredibly low taxes. I pay over 30% and I still have more than enough to live my life with complete utility. I love paying taxes, because I love America. I wouldn't mind paying more if it lead to more teachers, a smarter youth, more cops, etc. I have no problems what so ever contributing to this amazing country.

Like I said, quit crying, pay your taxes like a civilized human being.