Replica Reichstag stormed at Russian 'military Disneyland'

By the way, googled the thing up - it took some time to plow through what the heck is a 'military disneyland' - turns out it is a "Patriot" park, next to tank museum in Kubinka. Sort of a army-themed fair ground, where they show off some tech, plus near-military stuff, like robots. Host some wargames, and generally - it is kind of museum of military equipment. Hardly looks like a Disneyland equivalent to me, more like exposition place:

 

Agreed. What I'd meant by ***** sandwich, is a crap situation, that will realistically never see total satisfaction from any party involved.

All things considered, the issue is really much ado about nada.

 

Chill, it is not made to insult germans. It is a promotion of history. It just came so, that assault of Reichstag and mounting flag on it's roof became that very symbolic event, that basically marked end of the war for people in Soviet Union, and got remembered the most.

As for art items - I am sure eventually they will return to German museums. It is pointless to be demanding that from random forum users.

But if this really concerns you a lot - you can make a petition for transfering of these items from Pushkin's museum to Germany. It does not takes much and hurts no-one, but may for real affect the case.

 

Muscovites use Germans everywhere where they need to cover own crimes (Lenin.,Sralin , etc.) you know that they still lie openly that Germans killed Poles/Ukrainians/Belarusians in Katyn, and 200 000 Belarusians in Kurapaty. lying about everyday , even if these Stalinist crimes are so well documented
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurapaty

 

"I am sure eventually they will return to German museums" LOL. in Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian too?

 

The building is called Reichstag. It never changed name and is called Reichstag today. Bundestag is called the Institution. You have no clue and talk nonsense. **** off.

 

""Patriot" park," how much Patsriots: Rotenbergs, Raldugin, Kadyrov, etc. made cash off this?

ps

 

I think you should not undestand this event as an insult. Noone meant that. I think most of Russians are very positive towards Germany.

 

How about you will not interrupt conversations, that are not started with you, and will pretty much end without you? Nobody asked your opinion there.

 

My city did the right thing few years ago, when it crashed the russian Monument down and also plowed the tombs of russian soldiers to make place for a rose garden. I was neutral to this. Seeing now how my country is used for this bullshit, i support it 100%. Im love my country. I respect you as a person. Seeing this here now simply makes me angry.

 

we not MENA, we are not looking for total satisfactions , we know what Mongols Juchi stolen from us , and we get it . and this is it

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After the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, it similarly engaged in the looting and destruction of the Polish cultural heritage.[9][18] It is estimated that soon after the invasion, about half of Polish museums and similar public institutions were dismantled in the territories occupied by the Soviets. Many items were shipped to Soviet museums such as the Moscow Museum of History and the Central Anti-Religious Museum (also in Moscow).[9] Other collections were simply done away with. For instance, during the liquidation of the Poland's Lwów Historical Museum in the early 1940, its holdings were transported to the basement of the Black (Czarna) Kamienica (pictured), away from public eye, and deliberately destroyed there.[17]

Following the Soviet advance across the German-occupied Polish lands, the looting and plunder of anything of value continued[9] up to 1947 even though the looted territories were theoretically assigned to its own ally, the communist Poland already.[9][19][20] The Soviet forces engaged in particularly extensive plunder in the former eastern territories of Germany that were to be transferred to Poland, stripping them of any piece of equipment left behind.[9][10][21][22] Even the Polish Communists felt uneasy about the scope of their crimes. In 1945, the future Chairman of the Polish Council of State, Gen. Aleksander Zawadzki, worried that "raping and looting of the Soviet army would provoke a civil war"[23]

See also: Rape during the liberation of Poland
The operations of these "war trophy brigades" were regulated by detailed orders issued by Soviet vice-minister of defence Nikolai Bulganin in early 1946.[24] Until 1948 these brigades sent at least 239'000 freight cars to USSR transporting natural resources, complete factories and individual machines. Town of Bydgoszcz lost 30 complete factories and 250 ships, from Grudziądz the army confiscated all machinery from factories, regardless of their size. From Toruń all gristmills were taken, causing temporary deficit of bread. Blachownia Śląska lost a large, German-built synthetic fuel producing installation, transported to USSR on 10,000 train cars. Similar production line in Police was transported using 14,000 cars. Gliwice lost a pipe factory, Bobrek and Łabędy - iron furnaces. Complete power stations were taken from Miechowice, Zabrze, Zdzieszowice, Mikulczyce, Blachownia Śląska i Chełmsk Śląski. Smaller industries were also confiscated in Sosnowiec, Dąbrowa Górnicza, Częstochowa, Zgoda, Chorzów, Siemianowice, Poznań, Bydgoszcz, Grudziądz, Toruń, Inowrocław, Włocławek, Chojnice, Łódź, Dziedzice and Oświęcim.

Farming animals were also significant target of looting: until 1 September 1945 the Red Army confiscated 506,000 cows, 114,000 sheep and 206,000 horses. In February 1945 alone over 72,000 tons of sugar was taken. In Toruń region alone 14,000 tons of grain, 20,000 of potatoes and 21,000 beetroots were taken during that period. These number represent looting alone, as the Polish government also supplied food to the Red Army officially at that time (150,000 tons of grains, 250,000 tons of potatoes, 25,000 tons of meat and 100,000 tons of straws).

Individual Red Army soldiers were also allowed to send home "war trophies", with the weight depending on their rank, which resulted in widespread looting of private houses of anything valuable, including food, clothes, shoes, radios, jewelry, utensils, clothes, bicycles and even ceramical toilet bowls. Scale of individual looting can be estimated by the example of Russian town of Kursk, which received only 300 personal parcels from soldiers in January 1945 but till May their number reached 87'000.

After these transports were finished, the Red Army also started looting the train infrastructure itself - repair yards, signalling installations and the rails themselves: around 5500 km of rails were looted.

In 1946 the scale of looting was estimated by Polish authorities at 2.375 billions of 1938 dollars (equivalent of $54 billion in 2015 dollars)."

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The Soviet Union engaged in systematic looting during World War II, particularly of Germany – seeing this as reparations for damage and looting done by Germany in the Soviet Union.[44][151] The Soviets also looted other occupied territories; for example, looting by Soviets was common on the territories theoretically assigned to its ally, communist Poland.[152][153] Even Polish Communists were uneasy, as in 1945, the future Chairman of the Polish Council of State, Aleksander Zawadzki, worried that the "raping and looting by the Soviet army would provoke a civil war."[154] Soviet forces had engaged in plunder on the former eastern territories of Germany that were to be transferred to Poland, stripping it of anything of value.[155][156] A recently recovered masterwork is Gustave Courbet's Femme nue couchée, looted in Budapest, Hungary, in 1945.

In 1998, and after considerable controversy, Russia passed the Federal Law on Cultural Valuables Displaced to the USSR as a Result of the Second World War and Located on the Territory of the Russian Federation, which allowed Russians to keep the illegally stolen art works and museum pieces and to prevent any restitution to their rightful owners in Germany."

 

Oh really? What feelings do you think does that generate to see that? You believe i jump up in joy?

 

"The Reichstag is our Parliament."- these are your words. This your statement is completely wrong, since your Parliament is Bundestag. Looks like I have more clue than you

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looted_art#Looting_by_the_Soviet_Union

such thugs ....

 

Sincerely, calm down. As I said, this event is associated with end of the war. A terrible war, in which all have suffered. I understand, that it may be displeasing sight. There are such sights for many people in many countries, remember how I recated to german 'russian parfume'. I understand the situation. It takes time for people to move through the old bad memories and move forward into the future.

Every of us should be patient.

 

You have not you idiot. The building is called Reichstag. **** off.

 

I think that should not generate any feelings from your side as this event has nothing to do with modern Germany, but rather with Nazi Germany. This may only hurt the feelings of those, who favors Nazi Germany.

 

You pretty much know, that it was not right. And approving that out of feeling of being personally hurt - is not right either. People, who died - have lost their lives, in a terrible, painful way, fighting the people who they knew nothing about, and personally had nothing against. On both sides. Be patient, and learn to be forgiving for specific acts of specific individuals, when speak about whole nations. People come and go - but nations stay.

 

Let me tell you something my friend.

You've certainly boosted my interest in digging deeper into this.

Thanks.

And I mean that.

 

>>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< Do you realize Russia lost 1/4 of its population fighting Nazi Germany, because the Germans wanted more living space? The Jewish holocaust was miniscule compared to the genocide against the 'untermenchen' Slavs so they could steal their land.. This is why the Russians have such a hatred towards fascism, and why Russian Crimea and Dombass freaked when the Americans installed a fascist government in Kiev.

As for returning goods, has Germany given Greece back the gold it stole or made reparations yet for the war? I don't think so!

 

Go to hell. There is no Nazi Germany. There is only Germany. You think my grandparents felt out of the sky? We have 2000 years unbroken history. Im proud for our history. I wish you and your family only the worst.

 

What I have not? So what that building is called Reichstag? Deutsches Reich does not exist. So it is anachronism. Moreover, one can not insult the building

 

I think you should visit a psychiatr. Apparently you have problems with your head. I do not know about your parents, but looks like you dropped from the sky and hit your head.

 

Not exactly correct. Building been there before rise of NDSAP. It stayed after it's end. And the people, who participated in this war on the german side, are pretty much germans. Whose children today are the people of modern Germany. Think of it that way: we - at least I - were born in Soviet Union. We live in Russian Federation, reformed from RSFSR that been one of three core states of USSR. Obviously we can - and still do - relate ourselves to Soviet Union and events around it, positive and negative alltogether. Same goes for modern germans - time passes, and people accept that history have happened. It cannot be erazed, should not be forgotten, and it made the world the way it is today. And obviously, being reminded of negative moments of history hurts, especially if one did not grew up in environment, where something - such as assault of Reichstag - is a commonly known and remembered thing.

For us it's a symbol of war's end. For a german citizen it may generally be a surprise to even know about it, considering it being just one episide of one battle of one enormous war that was not even that much meaningful to end the war - no serious force defended it, it didn't housed parlament at the time, and was not even that much of strategic point in battle for Berlin. But for us, that flag, against all odds, bringed from Red Square all the way across europe to Reichstag and mounted on it's very top - is a symbol of effort done. Of a struggle finished. Of a war ended. A symbol of relief.

...but nobody says that rest of the world feels same way about a piece of cloth mounted in the middle of violent street war on edge of respectful building's roof.


I insist, that instead of bickering and antagonizing each other, we should be patient and learn to understand each other. For things to process takes time.

 

It is understandable, calm down. Bad wishes will not do any good.