Republican AND Christian...? How?

OK....after reading this...let's talk REALITY!!!

I am an expert in a number of forms of SURVIVAL such as Arctic, Jungle, Temperate, Ocean and Desert.

Unless a Human Being is as well trained as I am....and I have to work every waking hour just to stay alive in even a 30 degrees F. Forest in Up State New York.....when YOU talk about how..."God gave the earth and his bountiful resources so that all of his human beings and other life might thrive."...end quote....I WANT TO LAUGH IN YOUR FACE!!!!

Nature is a B!#@# and Nature is all about every living thing becoming FOOD for other living things!!!

Humans evolved a large brain because the African Rainforests went under a Climate Change and dried out to become vast dry Savanah's.

Humans cameout of the dissapearing trees to walk Bi-Pedally and Humans have the most advanced form of fat storage to conversion to energy usage system in the animal kingdom as Humans have such endurance they can run down and kill every land animal on Earth.

As it stands now...even the poorest of us are better off than our ancient Human Ancestors who never knew when their next meal would be.

AboveAlpha

 

I'll address a couple of your questions.

You are implying Christ would not be a Republican. Christ would absolutely not be a "progressive" as progressivism is all about force and control and imposing one persons worldly judgment on all people. Christianity is a voluntary agreement between God and the individual, the decision cannot be made for a person, and a person certainly cannot be forced to accept Christianity and its requirements.

Sometimes, but always the goal was to set a good example and to encourage people to follow Christ.

I'm going to assume the implication is along the OP lines that Republicans cannot be Christians because they are not charitable. Arthur Brooks wrote a book on the subject, Who Really Cares? Brooks proves the overwhelming predictor of charitability is religion.

Brooks also shows political affiliation is almost irrelevant, but because religious people tend to be conservative/Republican and atheists tend to be Democrat, in absolute numbers the Republicans are more charitable than Democrats - and that was the tag line used by the media when the book was published in 2007. But Brooks shows being charitable is all about being religious, not about political party.

That's in John 8, in which an adulteress woman was brought to Jesus, the penalty under the Old Testament law was she was to be stoned to death. When Jesus said "He who is without sin ..." he was not saying do not judge another (and see my answer to your #5). Jesus was appealing to their compassion, and might be hinting that those judges had also committed adultery possibly with that same woman.

Again, there is more to the passage than your quote:

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
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The interesting part is Jesus writing on the ground. What was he writing? Maybe something incriminating to the scribes & Pharisees, maybe the names of their adulterous partners? All speculation, but interesting.


And finally, the last thing Jesus said to the woman was "Go and sin no more". His pardon of her was not free.

You have taken it out of context. The entire quote is:

Matthew 7:1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?


It does not mean a Christian should not judge others. It means a Christian should not be a hypocrite, it means do not apply one standard to others and a different standard to yourself.

People that do not understand Christianity or the Bible use Matthew 7:1 as an excuse to silence dissent from Christians.

The New Testament does not forbid judgment, just the opposite. In Christianity there is an absolute Truth, and Christians are required to judge people and their actions in light of that Truth. Christians should neither condone nor participate in sinful activities.

In fact, the Great Commission (Matthew 28:16) requires Christians to spread the Word throughout the world to all people who have not heard it - and that requires Christians determine (judge) who is a Christian and who is not. Obviously it makes no sense to bring the Word to those who have already accepted it, Christians bring the Word to the unbelievers.

 

What a crock. Clearly, the abortion debate clearly illustrates the conservative/republican viewpoint is the one that's about force and control, as does the issue of gay rights.

So why do many republicans seem so terrified of Sharia law, while attempting to legislate their own religious beliefs?

You're neatly sidestepping the fact that the majority of the "charitable donations" you're talking about were made to religious organizations. Megachurches and the Vatican clearly illustrate that this results in wealth hoarding by "the moneychangers in the temple", rather than providing the types of benefits to the poor that Christ allegedly championed.

Yes, lots of speculation that Jesus was blackmailing others to behave a certain way... If that's what you believe, then your god is not benevolent or "good".

And?

You mean like being born with a trust fund then villifying the poor? Yeah, I agree that hypocrisy is contrary to what Christianity should be.

The example set by your religion is one of a god who gave people free will. Republican politics act to restrict that free will, often in ways that contradict basic teachings of the Bible. No amount of dodging is going to change that.

Are you saying that there is no difference between noting whether someone fits certain criteria and demonizing them for the criteria they fit?
For example, I could notice that you are of a certain ethnic background. It is something entirely different for me to villify you for your ethnicity or make negative assumptions about you on the basis of that ethnicity.

 

Republican and Christian? Impossible


Republican and Antichrist = the reality





... sell all you have and give it to the poor ...

 

They do it the way others do it with other issues. They compartmentalize their brains. One side is republican who looks down on the poor, the other side is Christian which adores the poor, and would seek to help them, even by taxing people and taking care of the poor. For as we know, during the great depression, personal charity could never meet the demand. Which is one reason FDR was moved by God to do what he did, with SS and the old folks.

If the republicans were really not compartmentalized, they wouldn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) how the poor were cared for, especially since they know that charity is not enough to do it, and would be perfectly fine with taxes, some of it being used for the poor. They don't like it, but they love spending tax dollars on war, and the military to kill others for our elite's business interests. So, they compartmentalize their brains.

Objectively, a republican Christian is an oxymoron. They don't exist, but republicans of course do exist. Democrat Christians hardly exist either For they believe in murdering the life god created, in the form of the unborn. You won't find many genuine Christians, for as Christ said, the right path is so narrow and few will travel it. The wide path that leads to damnation is worn down into the earth, for so many who call themselves Christians walk that path, billions and billions of them. It's easy to walk the wide path.

 

I agree with most of what you've said... But then you get into the whole abortion thing...
The Bible (as with every other topic) is of little use in this, because it seems to contradict itself repeatedly, but I believe you'll find more passages that indicate life begins at birth than you will passages that indicate an embryo is a living person.

Either way, it's clear God is "pro choice"... Y'know, the whole "free will" thing.

 

Yes but if you make the wrong choice you'll be in the Lake of Fire or outer darkness.
If you pick up sticks on the Sabbath you get stoned to death.
If you eat the forbidden fruit you get a life of misery.
If you worship false idols your country gets absorbed by foreigners.

 

It is NOT possible to be Christian and Republican.


Republican Reaganomics and other ideas are inherently antichrist. Even David Stockman admitted that his ideas were designed to enrich the wealthy - that's why Reagan fired him.

Anybody who denies this truth needs to read the Bible to learn its real lessons.

 

The REAL lesson of the Bible is a SYSTEM OF CONTROL.

The Bible both Old and New Testaments did not even EXIST until Constantine created the Roman Imperial Biblical Canon which in turn created the Old Testament using the Torah and created the New Testament by picking and chosing specific Books and Gospels that fit their agenda specific to CONTROL.

The Roman Empire no longer had the Military Power necessary to control all of Europe thus a SYSTEM OF CONTROL using the Bible....Preists, Bishops and Cardinals was created.

Ever wonder WHY only the Fab Four Apostels...Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's Gospels were used and no Gospels of the other 8 Apostels were used?

It's because they had conflicting messages.

The Fab Four Apostels Gospels stated that Jesus taught he was the ACTUAL PHYSICAL SON OF GOD.

The other 8 Apostels Gospels stated that Jesus taught ALL MEN COULD BECOME THE SONS OF GOD...if they followed the teachings of Jesus.

AboveAlpha

 

republicans like to brag they are more charitable, but all one has to do is read their comments to know that is not true

 

I'd say MANY Republicans are not Christians. The see going to church and talking the talk as a business deal, sorta like an advertising expense. Same with university football clubs. They want to be seen hanging out with other rich dudes and maybe discuss some of the deals they've been working on, maybe make a few contacts. There just aren't enough places to do that so - CHURCH IT IS.

 

Very cool topic logician.

But i feel that you confuse conservatism/republicanism with Christianity. Christianity as an organized religion is weath redistribution. Religion is a man made product and as such sways back and forth right and left as right as the man who buys into it.

It is possible to be both a conservative and have faith in god. Just as it is possible to not believe in god and still believe in conservative ideals. Faith is an extremely 1 on 1 experience and can not be drilled into anyone.

Religion is a guide to live by. Not a whip to force others to live by. Faith in god is living each day as a good honest man or not.

 

What the Republican Party needs to do...and it's own RNC Report states this is necessary....is the GOP needs to DUMP the Ultra-Right Wing Religious Zealots who have infiltrated the party along with a large number of BIGOTS and IGNORANTS.

The GOP'S own RNC Report states that unless the Republican Party get's back to what it's original Political Ideology was....that being helping to create the necessary environment to allow Businesses and Companies both large and small to flourish thereby creating JOBS.....and DUMP the crazy Pro-Lifers....Religious Zealots....Corporate Sellouts....and Bigots...unless the GOP does this the RNC Report states the Republican Party has very little chance of winning back the White House for the foreseeable future.

I COMPLETELY AGREE with this new RNC Report.

AboveAlpha

 

I suggest you re-read Galatians 3:26 where you will find the words "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

 

Yeah, I believe that was Gingrich that moved to house the loony right, diverting attention from the economics where the Clinton democrats were clearly out classing them, focussing on issues of personal morals.
It worked in that the middle Republicans were caught off-guard, for want of a better term, and continued to vote Republican. But now they are looking around at who else is at the party, and slowly going home

 

God is pro choice, for he gave man and woman free will. So, we can murder the unborn, or not. Free will. If life comes from God, then what he created, you killed. I don't think he is too pleased about that. For life is sacred. For god created it for a reason.

I got a pretty good track record for the last few decades. I have not killed, nor stolen, nor committed adultery, in fact, I have not broken any of the 10 commandments. I have no desire nor urge to do so. I believe in caring for the poor, and I feel about towards the rich the same as Christ did. Therefore, anyone who thinks riches are fine, as the conservatives do, and they want to save the rich, well, they cannot be a follower of Christ.

A selfish person is not a follower of Christ, nor an ego filled person. So that pretty much negates republicans The dems, are much better off when it comes to caring for the poor, by making it a shared endeavor by using gov't as the tool. For if not for that, the republicans would let them starve, and tell em go out and get a job. Call em lazy, no account bums. All I can say, is they better pack their fire suits up and keep em handy, when death comes a calling. Hell will be full of republicans, as well as the rich, who created their treasure here on earth, while ignoring eternity. Not very smart folks in the end, those republicans and the rich. Short term wealth against an eternity in hell, ain't a good trade.

So a republican Christian is certainly an oxymoron. A Christian could not buy into the republican ideology, for its too pro rich, too selfishness centered. And conservatism was created by old satan himself. Lift up most coats of conservatives and you will find a forked tail. Look into their hearts and you will see only blackness, but their wallets are full of green. Their treasures are here on earth. It's their ideology. But boy, do they try to act all religious. LOL. But it is just an act.

 

no, they just brag about it more, which is also unChristian, for when you brag about it, you have already gotten your reward

http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/6-2.html

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

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We have several threads on this forum re the huge wealth disparity that has grown under Reaganomics. If these wealthy elites were truly Christian they would give their wealth to the poor as per the instructions in the New Testament. Then we could end all income taxes and all will be peaceful in the USA.

Too bad these elites are "Christian" in name only, not in practice.

 

Time and time again, Republicans have been proven to give more to charity than Democrats. So that negates your argument here.

Democrats don't even understand what creates poverty. Which is why so many of their policies actually create more of it. The fact that they believe they are trying to help doesn't cancel out the fact that they are actually making things worse for those very same people. Ignorance may not be a sin, but pride is. And when a party is so proud that they cannot even rationally examine their own policies to see if they work because they have such a burning need to be right, that is blatantly anti-Christian.

 

Hi [MENTION=66829]One Mind[/MENTION]
1. For the prochoice issue, because so many Conservatives are either Constitutionalist or Christian, I've had MORE success explaining to prolife people how to accommodate prochoice, and LESS luck with democrats and prochoice to work with prolife. Guiliani and Hutchison, also Laura Bush, are some of the Republicans who have made it public they were prochoice and explained why using Constitutional or conservative terms for limited govt and for respecting beliefs of others, etc. I can't say the same for Democrats and prochoice liberals, as I am the only such one standing up equally to INCLUDE and protect both prochoice and prolife views under the Constitution and 14th Amendments. I can't find other Democrats willing to acknowledge political beliefs, which is sad and depressing.

2. Your stereotypical statement about Republicans being for the rich and Democrats being for the poor
is equally wrongful for EITHER party to criminalize or judge anyone just for being rich or being poor.

Also the Conservatives believe in going through churches and charities and local businesses and schools to take care of people directly.
Going through Govt as Democrats believe in is not "superior" as if you care for people more by going that route.

That is judging people for their beliefs, and I see both as equal -- if one puts the responsibility first for the church as "the people" to take care of social needs
(which I have found the most effective and sustainable because people have direct ownership and responsibility to make sure it works) or if one puts
the responsibility on the govt as the people (which I find problematic when it comes to funding since everyone's money is thrown together but not
everyone has the same values 'beliefs or creed' so this creates conflicts of interest with different groups wanting to fund their ways over other people's beliefs).

3. both groups get corrupted where the career politicians trying to be popular in the media
sell out the people's longterm interest for partisan support to get elected to office. Both parties make this mistake.

the people in both groups need to connect directly and realize the goals are in common
and the focus is separate: one focuses on building locally and democratizing govt that way by giving people local control through the private sector,
the other focused on trying to establish law by top down govt to try to include everyone, but they leave out the interests and beliefs of other groups
they think 'are wrong' instead of recognizing those beliefs as "equally included and represented"

So both groups fight to exclude the other in order to get their way by majority, which is ABUSE of political party.
If Religious groups like Hindus and Muslims did this to each other, we would reject the laws they pass that offend and exclude and violate the bleiefs of the other.

But we let this go on with politics, instead of recognizing separating and protecting the poltical beliefs of both parties EQUALLY.
We let them go to the equivalent of religious war to impose one on the other, and pass LAWS based on imposing the winning belief.

This is against the spirit of the laws in the Constitution, as in the First and Fourteenth Amendments.
Until we recognize political parties as political beliefs and religions, we are NOT treating people equally under law
but allowing majority vote to impose and establish one belief while oppressing and discriminating against the other.

Both parties that do this are equally wrong.
It remains to be seen if the prochoice/inclusion principles of the Democrats can be invoked to rise above this exclusive behavior
or the Constitutional convictions of the Republicans can be invoked to call political religions for what they are, and quit censoring or imposing them.

I haven't found people in either party willing to acknowledge these as equal.
So far I only find people willing to push their own party religion and are too afraid to work with the other for fear of getting smashed.
like a false truce that the other side will violate, so they don't trust them either.

So both sides are hypocrites: Democrats don't practice prochoice and inclusion for opposing beliefs, blaming Republicans for imposing on them,
and Republicans will impose and exclude based on political religions in response to Democrats doing this.

Maybe both parties should be sued for imposing their political beliefs, creating conflicts of interests, and making the taxpayers pay to clean up the messes while they keep making more and charging the costs on our tab.

 

how can anyone who thinks say these are Christian-Republican values?

 

Only if you consider churches (and, more to the point, megachurches) to be "charity".

Yeah, because Republicans who believe in blaming the poor for being poor while handing more money to those who are already wealthy (Trickle Down economics) are definately rational when it comes to examining the validity of their own economic policies...

 

When asking why they are Republican you have too ask why are they right wingers

To believe in the right-wing means u believe in social heiarchy which means they believe one group (ie Christians ) are better than others and deserve better treatment.

They are against equality for example how many of them would say devil worshippers deserve the same rights as everyone else

As far as money goes they believe God grants wealth so therefore rich people are blessed and poor people are cursed by God.

So why would they go against gods decisions

Stuff like supporting abortion or denying science is a result of them being Christian not the other way around

 

Who taught you this?????????????

As a former Democrat turned republican around 1980, it is not true.

I once thought the same things.

 

Most speaking on behalf of the poor never were poor. Nor have they done what it takes to get wealthy.

They prove it by making so many errors of thinking.

Do you recall a black man who was once sleeping with his son in a BART toilet? He was very poor. He happened to see a man driving a Ferrari out of a garage in San Francisco and asked him what it cost. The man got to talking to him and hired him. He then slept in secret inside the company office. A movie was made about this man. He got rich.

Did he have virtue as a poor man but was evil once he was very rich?

What was his secret of making money?

He found a job he could learn. He had a goal. To drive a Ferrari. He reached that goal and much more. He opened his own stock company in Chicago. Tell him how you feel about conservatives.

Check out story #3 about Chris Gardener.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fact...-other-wall-streeters-2011-12#chris-gardner-3