Republicans and Democrats

They I bow to your superior personal experience in the subject.

 

It is still divided when it comes to sports, especially high school sports scores, NFC East Division where eveyone hates the Cowboys, the Eagles, the Commanders, and the Giants, if you are one of the other teams, and so forth.

 

You suggest that the media lies about high school sports scores? I find that hard to believe. I was talking about political division, not sports rivalries. But thanks anyway.

 

Never said they lied about high school football scores. But in Texas, high school football is like a second religion. There is sometimes pure hatred between two rival high school teams just as much as there is pure hatred between two rival NFC East Teams. Oh hell, even the Philadelphia Eagles fans booed Santa Clause one year not to mention the Dallas Cowboys who were playing them.

 

With all due respect, this is nothing more than a meaningless platitude. You could look up a thousand business texts, and nobody would boil the essence of business to these three attributes. You MIGHT find compromise as a core attribute, but understanding and fair play?....No chance, certainly not together as if those are the core attributes of business as you are describing. You made this combination up on the spot because it fit your needs for this specific conversation. I can understand any one of these perhaps being discussed as something that could be beneficial but this combinatiuon is most certainly NOT the essence of business. I dont say that to be confrontational because from what I can tell you seem like a reasonably straight shooter, but I do feel the need to point out BS when I see it.

Prove me wrong if you can. I doubt that is possible. Whether you are an employee or you employ 10,000 people does not impact this reality even slightly.

 

Its not quite 50% renewables.

Renewables' share of electricity generation was 44.5 per cent in Quarter 3 2023, up 8.2 percentage points on last year due to a combination of the increase in renewable generation and a fall in total generation (see section 5).Dec 21, 2023
Energy Trends December 2023 (publishing.service.gov.uk)

And "renewables" includes burning non fossilized organic material like wood.

 

But you're fine with Bribed Joe's near open bribery?

Trump's Message Is Hope, Dem's Message Is Fear.

Small Wonder That Trump leads the key states.

Biden’s and Kackle's messages are 'full of dire prophecies about what four more years of Trump might bring.' We had four years of Trump, it was peaceful and prosperous, except for the Left, the Fake News Media and the Corrupt FBI and CIA who pretended that Trump beating Hillary was a 'crime'.


She's full of fear.

“I’m scared as heck,” said the vice-president, Kamala Harris, yesterday, as she discussed the “crazies” who might put Donald Trump back in the Oval Office. Not for the first time, Harris was echoing the sentiments of Michelle Obama, the former first lady: “I am terrified,” Michelle told a podcast last week. “We cannot take this democracy for granted.”

Scared. Like rabbits.

 

Compromise. In most cases you do better finding compromise with your competitors than constantly going head to head. A constant battle is financially exhausting.
If your competitor focuses on market A, then concentrate on market B. Even do a deal to steer customers towards each others markets.

Fair play. Rather depends what you mean by fair play. You can win a race while practicing fair play. Or you can win by cheating. Difference is if you cheat no one will race with you again.
This broadly applies to business.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I try to be decent and honest as I enjoy proper conversation over the playground antics which haunt many forums.

 

Yes, I understand that you can describe those adjectives. That is not the point.

The point is that if one wanted to take long enough, they could generate a list of 1000 adjectives that could apply in some form to the business world. Randomly cherry-picking 3 adjectives that you think Trump does not live up to, and then acting as if those 3 constitute the essence of business. It is disingenuous.

Additionally, being from someowhere in the UK I believe(?), how can you possibly truly know about Trump business practices as a whole? Do you mean you heard the media say bad things about him in business?

Is that really shocking to you? Have you not observed American politica enough to understand that the vast majority of our media serves as the de facto marketing arm of the Demcratic party and of course they literally ALWAYS attack Trump for ANYTHING they think they can pass off as legit?

If you get away from the leftist media, you will find many employees of his that see him as a man of the people that was and is always been willing to roll up his sleeves and work alongside all levels of his organization.

After 60 years in business can you point to some lawsuits being filed and instances where there were conflicts as to who should or should not be paid for various contract jobs etc? Of course there is, and the American media LOVES to report on every bit of that they can find, which is undoubtedly where you are getting your belief.

Being a businessman yourself, I am sure that you must understand that there are two sides to every issue, and that every complaint ever lodged during a 60 year high level business carrer has another side of that story to be told which you can rest assured you are not being told.

 

It does impact given that a single employee business is not as complicated as one with 10000 employees. Businesses, especially the large ones, use Six Sigma which is where understanding comes from. All businesses want "fair play" or a "level playing field" no matter what the business sells or produces. it is why we have the Sherman Anti-Trust Act so that certain businesses cannot use the economies of scale to undercut the competitors, or laws that do not allow usury interest rates to drive out the competition, and so forth. And finally, all businesses do some sort of compromise, either with their external stakeholders or internal stakeholders, especially the shareholders who may have a different idea of where the company should go.

With small businesses, the mom and pop shops here in the US, they apply the same attitudes, just not in a grand scheme of things.

 

I am going to give you the exact same reply because you have communicated what is effectively the exact same thing.

Yes, I understand that you can describe those adjectives and apply them to business in some form. That is not the point.

The point is that if one wanted to take long enough, they could generate a list of 1000 adjectives that could apply in some form to the business world. Randomly cherry-picking 3 adjectives that you think Trump does not live up to, and then acting as if those 3 constitute the essence of business. It is disingenuous.

Without even thinking I could rattle off persistence, preparation, and promotion and make every bit as strong of an argument that those are the essence of business. The list of potential adjectives is truly endless. Doing so accomplishes nothing. They are just platitudes when presented in the context of being an all encompassing description of business. The topic is far too complex to boil down to 3 words.

 

If you are understanding it and applying it, then it should not be too far of a conclusion that your argument which you stated

is now null and void. In other words, it is more than just platitudes and certain adjectives. It is the very nature of modern business. The opposite end would be something you are unfamiliar with and probably will shock you with you being the first to complain.

We have laws in place to make those ideas not meaningless. It is why we have usury laws, anti-trust laws, and so forth. We even go so far as food trucks cannot park outside of brick-and-mortar restaurants because that gives an undue disadvantage to the brick-and-mortar restaurants., They are allowed, and some cities even have "food truck parks" to help them establish a central location for the food trucks. A food truck is a restaurant by definition, just on wheels instead of in an established location. But the point is that our laws exhibit those three "adjectives" with understanding, compromise, and fair play. It is similar to the preamble of the US Constitution where "every man is equal" and "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." We have made laws where "all men are created equal" and it took some 200 years to make it so. Same with "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Those are platitudes, right?

 

Im not really sure what you are trying to say. So you are supporting those 3 adjectives in regards to how they apply to business?

Didnt I already say that is easy to do? Of course you can. You could choose to write a book on those 3 adjectives if you so chose. Why then are you moving forward with doing so? It accomplishes nothing in regards to the topic of discussion. You could do this with countless adjectives. It accomplishes nothing.

I could sit here and argue that competitiveness is FAR more impactful than fair play and that would be equally as useless of a discussion. It accomplishes nothing. This topic is FAR too complex to boil down to such simpleton thinking.

Additionally, this is a mundane topic. It really is all about the words of the person to whom I was speaking. I have no idea why you have decided to jump in. You want to argue business adjectives? Why?

 

Its just my view. My view of Trump is mostly based on his dealing in the UK, opinions backed up somewhat by a number of legal cases you are aware of in the U.S.
But my opinion on how to make a prosperous business stand alone with or without Trump.

I live near Cambridge in the UK. I try to read as many different opinions as I can because I like to learn rather than judge. My reasons for asking on here are to add to that learning. So please continue.

I do know that the media in the U.S is as split as the people. Hence my desire to get views from both sides on here.

Do you have any links/ evidence of that?

Yet he stands head and shoulders above other wealthy business men in the U.S when it comes to court cases.

Indeed, but I have happily avoided court cases so far

 

Thats just it, if you think that the media is as split as the people, you do not understand the climate here in regard to news. That was my point.

You probably have a maximim of 5% of all media that pushes out a rightist narrative here, and the remainder pushes a leftist narrative. There is not an even split involved. I would suspect that in the UK that whatever news you get out of the US is probably at least that slanted. It is likely even more slanted to pick up on the leftist US media because as you already acknowledged, your politics are further left than ours. If what you do is recite the leftist narrative on Trump, you are not telling the actual story. You probably should know that.

 

I asked for evidence to support your views. We can get Fox news here. We can also see the court cases etc.

 

Evidence of what specifically?

As far as seeing Fox News, I am sure it is available, but what percentage of your news viewing is Fox News? I am going to go out on a limb and predict very little.

Am I wrong? Does it account for more than 5% of your news viewing? It is available here as well and it has very strong viewrship, but those that do NOT watch it, see almost nothing from the perspective of the right. Not in newspapers. Not in magazines. Not on TV. Not in school. Not from Hollywood.

You undoubetdly are wholly confused as to why ANYONE, much less approx 50% could ever possibly support Trump, and you know why you feel that way? You undoubtedly think of him as a hateful racist rapist etc etc that treates his employees and contractors like sh*t. Of course he has been a well known public figure here for many decades, and while he was always a windbag, he was never accused of these things UNTIL he decided to run as a Republican, certainly not to any great degree. If he had chosen to be a Demcorat which is not all that far fetched, I ASSURE you that the narrative you know would be FAR different. It is amazing how being a Republican here somehow magically equates to being a racist.

With the UK being even further left than here. I sincerely doubt that you have much exposure to a fair explanation of the rightist view on anything.

 

The first evidence I asked for was that people working for Trump thought he was a good boss.

You're not wrong, but you misunderstand. America makes 2% of our news and that is pretty basic. We know what you are doing in Israel, We know Trump won in Iowa, we know two states are trying to prevent him from standing. That's pretty much it.

Anything else is down to me reading your press and following court cases.

Does college in America teach political views.
Anyone in America is free to watch Fox, The Examiner, News Max or any other of the dozen or so right wing outlets.
You have a free press still.

I'm sorry but with the best will in the world I can't let that pass. Trump was recorded boasting about groping and kissing women because of his power. Not sure how that plays in Conservative America, but it plays real bad here.
He told a black congress women to go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.
Do you deny these comments happened.
Like him by all means, faults and all, but don't pretend they don't exist.

 

The first evidence? Was there also a second bit of evidence you were seeking?

As far as the good boss thing, that is about as difficult of a task as is out there to prove because it is subjective. I dont really know how much people from UK have and have not known Trump for decades, but over here he has been a household name since the 80's. His long running reputation as a boss is one of being a man of the people that has always been willing to roll up his sleeves and get dirty along side all levels within his organization, he was always very accessbile to all employees, and that his employees loved him for it. Im not sure where to reference this reputation from those decades prior to him being an 80ish year old politician.

If looking for a modern example I guess I could point to glassdoor and their employee reviews.
The Trump Organization Reviews: What Is It Like to Work At The Trump Organization? | Glassdoor

This is a well known company evaluation sight from employees, and you can see that most of those reviews were there prior to Trump being a politician, so while you might be tempted to say that anyone could enter anything to push any narrative, but with it being before him being in politics, that becomes far less likely. Their reviews do not fit the profile of being run by an oger that you and the MSM have outlined. This may not be the perfect link, but for a subjective topic, at least it is something.

On the other side of that ledger you undoubtedly have well traveled reports of him stiffing contractors, refusing to pay one bill or the other etc etc etc. We all know that narrative. If you are someone that is sincerely looking for accuracy think about that for a minute. A high-level real estate developer in business for 60 years. How many disputes over what is owed or what was completed to satisfaction do you suppose have happened in that time period? As a business person, you must understand this on some level. While all businesses and industries are quite different from one another, it is safe to say that the building trade which works with a lot of contractors, is going to have as many disputes over what is owed for services rendered as any industry in existence.

Over a period of 60 years the number of conflicts MUST be well into the thousands if not tens of thousands. To dig up someone that has a beef over not being paid for whatever reason god knows when, proves exactly nothing. You are only hearing their side of the story. There are in fact contractors on building sites every day that insist they have completed their work satisfactorily and deserve to be paid full price, and a developer insisting they have not fulfilled their contract. It does not matter if you have seen 500 of these people. That proves literally NOTHING, except for perhaps the notion that someone took the time to go and dig up 500 people willing to talk negatively about someone they have done business in within the last 60 years.

I would submit that to whatever extent that you THINK that you have a grip on who Trump the businessman was, that it is based on a narrative being pushed. Dont confuse that carefully honed narrative with being an actual representation of reality. I dont know how closely someone from the UK would know the Trump narrative by the press before declaring to be a Republican candidate, versus after declaring. It was like night and day. All of a sudden he became a racist, fascist etc. etc. etc. etc.... The list has never stopped since he declared as a candidate.

Dont believe all of the hype. While he has plenty of flaws, he is not the devil incarnate that the bulk of the US Media portrays. He has been well known since the 80s. He was friends with the Clintons. They attended his wedding. Trump is not fundementally different in 2024 than he was in 2011 or so when they attended his wedding

He did not all of a sudden become the devil, rather he became a loudmouth Republican and the leftist MSM went to work and have not stopped since.

I say all of this to simply communicate the notion that you cant believe every subjective analysis of Trump that you come across. You dont know him as a businessman. You know the character that has been created by the American leftist media.

...But the same principle applies. You opt to read that which you choose to read which tends to support your politics. That is what literally everyone does. Even if you ( or any of us) read news from the other viewpoint, we look at what we can tear apart and point out the hypocrisy etc., while when looking at our viewpoint, we just nod our heads in agreement. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I am not saying that to convey that your side is wrong and mine is right blah blah blah., I am just saying it to help you as a UK citizen understand how it is possible that enough of the country support him to vote him into office.

Either half the country are just complete and utter idiots, or you are being fed a line of BS about this reported devil that not everyone buys into. In truth, there are highly intelligent people that vote in both directions. There are also idiots on both sides of the aisle. It is not truly a matter of intelligence. People vote how they vote because they see and interpret the world in different ways and have differing desires for the role of government in their lives etc.

Dont buy all of the hype.

Are you under the impression that I was claiming that there is not access to the rightist viewpoint? Im not sure what I have said that would lead you to that conclusion. Of course there is access to the rightist viewpoint.

My point of saying "It is available here as well and it has very strong viewership, but those that do NOT watch it, see almost nothing from the perspective of the right. Not in newspapers. Not in magazines. Not on TV. Not in school. Not from Hollywood."...

...was not to convey that there is not any access to a rightist viewpoint, rather it was to to convey that with the preponderance of leftism, it is easy for someone to miss or ignore the rightist viewpoint because it occupies such a small percentage of all media here. It is nearly impossible to ignore the left because of the overwhelming share of voice that the left side gets here in the bulk of mainstream media options. You cannot ignore the leftist viewpoint because of its media prevalence. You could have some old codger here that diligently just watches Fox News, even they will get exposed to the leftist message whenever they pick up their hometown paper, local news, late night comedy etc etc.

The Billy Bush tape that you reference is without question not his finest moment. It is even surprising that he survived that.

With that being said, in the context of that situation, what he said is not all that out of bounds. It is locker room talk. I have personally been a part of my share of locker room talk. Most men have. I dont know anything about you, but I would venture to say that you too have been involved in locker room talk amongst other men. We talk about women, often times in vulgar terms. That is what men tend to do. Exxageration is not a stranger to that situation either.

Under that lens, one celebrity who surely can get almost their choice of women, saying to another celebrity who can surely get almost their choice of women, making mention that 'when you are a celebrity that just let you do whatever you want, I just go righ in and grab their P*ssy' or whatever that quote was, is not all that shocking. It sounds bad. It sounds really bad. But in a private almost whispered conversation between two celebrities, it really is not all that shocking. Its salacious for sure, but shocking? Do you suppose there are lots of celebrities that have that same mindset? I have no doubt that there are countless like that.

If you define someone by their worst moment or worst revelation you can easily make people look bad. Hell, Bill Clinton stuck a cigar inside a poor 20 something intern in the oval office. He lives with that shame I suppose, but you and all leftists have likely moved on, but you refuse to do the same here. Which is worse, defiling a legal but still shockingly young and naive white house intern when you are the president?....or engaging in some vile locker room talk? I dont know, they seem of a similar nature to me. They are both in poor taste.

Time to move on.

 

Those "three adjectives" you are trying to say are pretty much codified in our laws and in most OECD countries, and in most developing countries as well. Whether or not they are enforced universally depends on the country, but that's not the point I am making. But that is what most businesses want, especially small businesses who try to get a niche in the market within their industry. It is similar to the adjectives of "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" in the preamble of the US Constititon. And yet, we instill laws to make sure that those three adjectives in the US Constitution preamble are met as best we can in one way or the other. There are just disagreements on what life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness means.

If you want to list the "other adjectives" besides the three most common or universal, then go ahead. But that will be based on specific facts and circumstances of that business. For instance, competitiveness implies fair play, unless you think an oligarchy is competitive or a monopoly is competitive.

 

Strange but my prior comment still applies.

Didnt I already say that is easy to do? Of course you can. You could choose to write a book on those 3 adjectives if you so chose. Why then are you moving forward with doing so? It accomplishes nothing in regards to the topic of discussion. You could do this with countless adjectives. It accomplishes nothing.

I could sit here and argue that competitiveness is FAR more impactful than fair play and that would be equally as useless of a discussion. It accomplishes nothing. This topic is FAR too complex to boil down to such simpleton thinking.

Additionally, this is a mundane topic. It really is all about the words of the person to whom I was speaking. I have no idea why you have decided to jump in. You want to argue business adjectives? Why?

 

Not sure 3.7 stars is a recommendation. But better than I would have thought, I'll give you that.

It does happen, but not as often as in Trumps life.

It does seem the narrative of those who support Trump is not to defend him but claim its all an agenda.
Its why a guy with a rape charge can get cheered before the result is known.

Well where it counts he seems untouchable anyway. So maybe better to concentrate on why you want him leading the GOP despite his tangled history

He kind of did. Approx half of Americans support him, yet they were unable to find any equivalent dirt on Biden, why not?
I suggest because it doesn't exist in such copious quantities.

Hence my reliance on court cases. But I appreciate your measured response that show Trump supporters are not all thicko truck drivers.

I could play that right back at you, but instead I say ofcourse I am influenced by my own views but I dotry very hard to hear both sides of every story. My opinions of Trump are my own, not social media.

That feels a bit thin following your paragraph above.

None of this changes the things he has said, nor the court cases, nor the claims that the election was rigged.

Not all of it.

You implied there was an unfair distribution of news outlets and that served the democrats and that the unwary were exposed to these to the exclusion of right wing ones.

Yet by your own argument people seek out views that reflect the perspective they desire, yet half the American population who support Trump don't view their side as much as democrats theirs? Doesn't compute.

At the very least it shows a lack of judgement. How come there isn't a similar video of Biden?

It is to me, maybe that's Brits.

and he suffered for it when it was exposed.
(Strange that she kept the dress unwashed in her cupboard afterwards as evidence, but that's the game and Clinton went!

We moved on because he went, was cowed, humiliated, abandoned.
We didn't justify him. Call him a hero, pretend it doesn't matter.

 

Fair enough.

Sincerely, how could you possibly know that? 60 years in high level real estate development would create a lot of conflict over the decades. You or I are not in a position to compare that to what is normal. Even if you have seen 200 examples in the media, which I doubt you have seen that many, that still doesnt provide the context necessary to determine whether that it typical or not.

Step away from politics and bias etc for one second. Does a lady selling a book 20 years later ( and was old at the time of the alleged incident) claiming that Trump raped her in a department store dressing room, sound credible to you? Especially since she was an accomplished woman in her 50s. How does a grown woman get raped in a dressing room in a department store? Is she incapable of speaking up? Screaming? I could understand if it were some young naive girl, but an accomplished 50 something author? She also did nothing about it until she was coming out with her book several decades later. Her word against his. I dont find that likely or compelling. Obviously you nor I could ever know for sure, but if someone offered to bet the value of my house on that claim, Id happily take that bet. It strikes me as phony as it gets. A department store dressing room sounds ridiculously reckless to me, and even if you are going to go with the assumption that Trump is a no good misogynist etc, he really has not shown a pattern of being reckless to that sort of extent. To top it off, he is a billionaire that is long time famous for sleeping with models and other beautiful young women, I truly do not believe that a 50 or 60 something Jean Carrol in the 90's would have been the target of this recklessness. I would bet my house indeed.

Trump was not my first choice in 2016 in the primaries. He is not my first choice in 2024 either. With that being said, if he wins the nomination I will without question support him. I would crawl over broken glass to vote against the modern-day Democrat party. I am not a Trump worshipper by any means, but if you are asking for my position, yes, I believe that the left has went over the cliff into crazy town on their nonstop attacks on Trump. We all know the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, if the leftist media did stumble upon a true scandal, a large segment of the population would not believe them for this very same reason. Actions have consequences, and for a large swath of the American public, the media has lost so much credibility specifically on the topic of Trump that people do not believe them. They truly have went off the rails into crazy town.

You dont think there is not any dirt on Biden? Are you being serious? At any rate, I dont want to derail this topic by going off on that tangent, but suffice it to say, I do not agree with this assertion. I would say that is selective retention on your part. You are retaining what you want to believe and eliminating that which you do not.

Im not exactly sure what you mean by court cases, other than just following their outcomes. When I watch court cases, the last thing that I think of is this is all a fair and honest process. Lawyers are inherently dishonest, especially civil lawyers as with the rape case you mentioned. They spin and skew reality nonstop while very carefully selecting their venues to get their best jury possible. In that sense, It is not all that different from the world of politics.

I will say that I appreciate that you come across as more open minded and willing to compromise and have a regular honest conversation than most on here. I noticed that before I started talking to you and I appreciate it. That is the only reason I had written you such a long response. I tend to not do that with the usual cast of characters that start threads nonstop in here and are interested in nothiing other than just aimpless bickering where nobody ever cedes any ground on anything.

No but it does lay out a case that if what you hear from the leftist media were even half true, you would not get half the American public to support him. You mentioned that it nice to see all Trump supporters are not thicko truckers or something to that effect. That is a fair statement because that is in fact the carefully crafted narrative that the leftist media pushes here. You can find plenty of examples of idiotic Trump supporters. You can also find plenty of examples of idiotic Democrat supporters. To pretend like one side is about idiots and the other is not is disingenuous. There are highly intelligent people on both sides of this debate. It is not a matter of intelligence.

I dont think that I said unfair, but it is unequal. It is strange. One would think that supply and demand would dictate news distribution but it truly does not, and I can show you reasonable proof of this. Fox News doubles, triples, quadruples its competition. Why? Because 50% of the American Public is on the right, and Fox is the only outlet for them to hear news interpreted from their perspective. The other 50% of the country is split between everything else, which is why their viewership is so much lower. If supply and Demand ruled, Fox's success would result in other mainstream rightist outlets even from the regular broadcast networks that does not have a rightist news outlet.

I can understand why you may think that is what I was implying, but my explanation above sort of addresses this concept. People legitimately on the right are not watching less news, they are just funneled into far fewer outlets. Truthfully when we say 50% on each side, that isnt exactly true. Its probably more like 30% and the remaining 40% are people that dont pay all that much attention to news. It is this group where this share of voice may matter.

I have already said this was not his finest moment. Obviously. As far as saying why isnt there a video of Biden. I dont really understand your premise. I could say why isnt there reports of other presidents using a cigar on a young intern in the oval office and it would be just as off base. These are individual circumstances, nobody is claiming that Biden had a Billy Bush tape.

Indeed, Clinton suffered from it when exposed, especially because it happened while he was in office. It did not bring him down. People moved on in a few years. Similarly, Trump suffered from this as well, and his was long before he took office. It did not bring him down. Years later, it is time to move on.

How was he abandoned? His approval ratings were through the roof at that time. The left may not have justified him, but they certainly downplayed his transgression. An awful lot did pretend it does not matter. Remember... "its just oral sex"?

 

First of all, you were the one who brought it up and has continued to argue such topic the past two pages or so with me and the other poster. Second, my post nullifies your argument that you can use "1000s of adjectives" to describe business in general. Finally, even our code has shown that competition, fair play, compromise, and understanding. Owning a business is not as easy, as you claim it is. Within the first year of starting a business, 90% will fail. Restaurants that fail within the first 5 years of existence is about 85% or so, including those who are franchised. Some restaurant franchises can take capital up to $2 million, such as a McDonald's frachise, which does not include the operating capital of $5 million or more. Some can be as little as $5k but the amount of revenue is not that much nor is the net profit.

Look people write books for all sort of reasons. It is easy to get published, especially online publishing with very little capital and no upfront royalty fees. That is the wonderful world of technology we have in store. Does not mean the book is any good, does it? But we do have books about Six Sigma and other things that people can read, usually for class in graduate business school or those who are in the upper echelon of management of a Fortune 500 company. But for the average business, understanding is based on experience, time, and wisdom within that specific industry or nitche in the industry. And even then, they are at the whims of the economy and consumer attitudes outside of their control. Most know how to make or sell their product, but when it comes to a business, it is more than just that with all the complications the business has from payroll to hiring to trying to find new markets for their products. It is a constant struggle, but those "adjectives" that you think are so mundane are the cornerstone of all business. You can find specific adjectives for specific business or a business situation, but that does not apply to all. The generalization is that this is what all businesses want, generally, in order to succeed. It is a constant among all countries that have small businesses, even in the PRC.

 

Dont compare yourself to the other poster. He is capable of having an honest conversation. He and I have moved on and had a nice productive conversation that has effortlessly moved on with the primary topic, not the tangent that you strangely keep trying to insist that we address.

You are sitting here just dying to have a drawn out argument about boiling down the essence of business to 3 adjectives. Whatever 3 adjectives that are chosen, it is so incomprehensibly incomplete that it is nothing other than a meaningless platitude. It is silly. Just move on. Get the hint. The adults are speaking. The adults did not get bogged down on this. While it is all you are talking about. You are wasting everyone's time. I have made it abundantly clear I am not interested in going off on this meaningless tangent. The original conversation was about his view of Trump, and the business adjective thing was a sidelight that was touched upon, and he and I quickly moved to the actual topic. You on the other hand just keep insisting that I go off chasing platitudes. Not my thing.You cant make someone interested in what you have to say by virtue of continuing to pursue them when they are obviously dismissing you. It needs to be organic. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings, but it is reality regardless if it does or does not.

This feels like one of those situations where your two-year-old keeps acting up trying to get attention.