Republicans and Democrats

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know what it's about - two guys had documents and only one is getting his balls busted.
     
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    Yeah, Hunter Biden’s laptop appears at the shop of a blind computer repairman. It contains all sorts of files that could have been installed by Guliani’s Russian friends. Indeed, the collection of allegations is little different from the collection that Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine with.

    Of course, it was totally innocent.

    How could have that computer shop owner know to duplicate those files and feed them right back to Guliani (who was, no doubt) waiting)?

    He apparantly didn’t know that it is against the law to snoop into someone’s private files, much less copy them.

    But there’s nothing else, and no evidence to support it.
     
  3. dairyair

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    That's what happens when someone refuses to cooperate.
    They get in trouble.
    You still have no idea what the documents issue is about. Keep on proving that ignorance on the issue.
     
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    Are you capable of approaching any subject without referring to Trump?

    Do you realize how odd that is?
     
  5. Tigger2

    Tigger2 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.
    This is very similar to the UK (And I suspect the civilised democratic world) Can I ask what the polls are saying people want, all we get is how popular Trump/Biden are, but presumably (I hope) a large number of Americans vote on policy and how well the country is run rather than hero worship?
     
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    Generally A. Favours the poor. B. Favours the rich. (The real divide as ever)
     
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    Not sure about the absolute power thing. Trump is still very much in the running and the courts have not just chucked him in jail like you would see in Russia or Iran. And using media to slur peoples character is old and new politics.
     
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    Fair do's, though they do have an affect sometimes. For instance where polling is close between parties, (this was not the case in UK 2019.)
    When they are close, polling for minor parties can sway policies of major ones.
    Back to America
    How close are the polls between Dems and GOP at the moment?
     
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    I would make a different argument in Favour of Trump. That while its a crime its not an important one for most Americans?
    (I'm no Trump fan) but the endless dragged out court cases do make it appear like a witch hunt if you are a Trump supporter. IMO they would have been better focussing on the far more serious accusations and pushing them forward faster.
     
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    Seemingly to me this is not very mysterious, aside from the blight it cast upon the R party in the US.

    Ignorance of the undercurrents in US politics can best be understood imo by recognizing the magnitude of slavery in its history.

    It alone or in substantial part explains vast and consequential features that are unique to the US among so called Western Democracies.

    It accounts for, for example, that the US has the highest per capita imprisonment rate not only among Western Democracies, but on the entire planet, iirc.
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/262961/countries-with-the-most-prisoners/

    It accounts for the US failing to implement a health care system independent from one's employment.

    It accounts quite often for the division seen in its US Presidential election results.
    https://www.britannica.com/list/a-history-of-us-presidential-elections-in-maps

    eh?
     
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    I think its a stretch to blame this on American history of slavery. Racism etc exist across the world even where slavery was not such a big thing.
    Your history in maps might correlate between slave and non slave states, but I don't think its cause. If anything the cause is how the states formed, the softer civilised northern states and the 'Wild West' driving different historical attitudes towards society(North) and self reliance.(South)
    I would say America's high prison rate was more a reflection of its poor health and benefits schemes. This causing a larger than average divide between the rich and the poor. All civilised nations recognise you have to look after your weakest and poorest while allowing individuals to prosper. The secret is where that seesaw sits.
     
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    Interesting. With regard to the undercurrents particular to US politics, in your OP you proposed to be the student, and in this response you propose instead to be the teacher?
     
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    Are poles have been a bit skewed lately. But pulling suggests that Donald Trump will win the nomination for Republican.

    And does have him as the winner for president at this point but things change very fast.

    Typically in America the candidate represents the policy. People want Donald Trump despite what anyone says because they like his policies people want Joe Biden because they like his policies and of course there's Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis that are also running for the Republican nomination and the people that support those two candidates support them because they like their policies.

    So it's not so much specific policies it's the candidate adheres to these policies or promises these policies will go into effect should they be elected.
     
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    I would argue they both favor the rich and neither one favors the poor and it's because of the rich or the donor class it's just which rich people are donating to you.

    If you're Republican you're getting a lot of donations from petrochemical industry, construction mining. And if your Democrat you're getting a lot of donations from silicon valley and labor unions.

    But in the US and probably other places in the world it is political suicide to not favor the rich. These are the people with the power. At least so it would seem
     
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    You forget, ole school Soviet Union persecuted political opponents. Grandiose trials and malicious convictions. It was Levrentiy Beria that coined the phrase "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime". The deep state in this nation will throw absolutely everything at Trump... Either to get a conviction to stick... or to bankrupt him in the process of attempting it.
     
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    Generally A carries a facade of favoring the poor, yet their actions tend to do more harm and creates indentured servants. Higher taxes always impact the poor the hardest. Group B tends to want more individual liberties and the power to self govern.

    However, when it comes to the rich (like stated here), both Group A & B are controlled by lobbyist which ARE the uber rich. Hence why our politicians, both with an (D) and an (R), are multimillionaires on a mediocre salary.
     
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    Just answering you on a forum. Neither student nor teacher. My answer related to the wider ideas that apply to all civilised countries the UK included.
    Feel free to correct my errors or dispute my opinions, I wont mind.
     
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    I bet they are not pretending.
     
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    You were given this post in response to a post of yours, you must have missed it.
     
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    So a mix of what policies you propose and whether I believe you have what it takes to carry them through. My opinion is Trumps popularity is partly base on his bullishness and people believing he will stick to his guns (policies). They believe he was thwarted last time rather than failed.
    For me this is very dangerous because it just relies on Trump repeating "IT WILL GET DONE" without any explanation as to how.
     
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    They?
    4 different cases. Not all are being done by the fed gov. Some are by individual States. One of them is heavily a republican State, Georgia.
     
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    "The majority of voters vote with their pocket book. But that is the general election when everyone who wants to vote will.
    Primaries rarely represent the general voters. It is only for partisans. There's as many independents as there are partisans."

    Thanks Dairyair. Yes I missed it, so many replies. I do try to address everyone who takes the time to answer me.
    I will have a look at the link and respond properly.
     
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    They? Good point lazy of me as it implies a single entity behind all the cases. I guess I meant some with claims would have been better sitting on their hands.
    https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/
    Donald Trump was charged in four criminal cases. In Washington, D.C., he faces four felony counts for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. In Georgia, he faces 13 felony counts for his election interference in that state. In New York, he faces 34 felony counts in connection with hush money payments to a porn star. And in Florida, he faces 40 felony counts for hoarding classified documents after he left office and impeding the government’s efforts to retrieve them.
     
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    The wheels of Justice turn slowly.
    And then, there have been appeals to slow down the process.
    A goal of trump was to push all of them back until after the election. But most of those attempts have failed.

    Each case is running separately. But have to be mindful, I guess, of the timing of the others. So trump isn't forced to be in 2 or more places on the same day.

    Odd how such a great American, according to MAGA, can have so many legal problems. And he instigated all of them in some fashion.
     
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    Indeed. I think Trump is a train crash. Most outside America think he's a comedy. But I respect he's real to you guys and would really like to understand why republicans prefer him to other candidates.

    Separately. Thank you for the link. Its very interesting and rather than being a comprehensive answer I shall use it as a continuous guide.
    The obvious is Democrats care about health. Republicans Inflation (business)
    The less obvious the marked lack of concern by either side about climate change.
     

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