Republicans And Independents Would Defend America If Invaded — Dems Say They Would Flee

I don't know, it sort of sounds like you are trying to obfuscate and cloud the issue with over-complexity.

 

No I am not.

Earlier in the thread, I gave an example.

IF the question was asked "Would you join the military to fight an invasion of the United States similar to what is happening in Ukraine-Russia War, or would you flee?

Compare that to

"Would you defend your neighborhood if an invasion happened similar to the Ukraine-Russia War and what would you do?

You can get two different results.

 

It does not matter how I define it. The pollsters didn't even define it. They left it up to the individual respondents to define it for themselves, and Democrats self-identified as less patriotic than Republicans.

The pollsters I cited were Gallup and YouGov. Neither are particularly thought of as "right-leaning" pollsters. I'm curious how you determined what you claimed here. Which Republican "policies" are the polls "linked" to and how are the polls "linked" to them?

 

Self identifying is not what I call a accurate or proper poll no matter how the questions were asked. But I tried to find the questions but to no avail. Hence why you have two different polls with two different outcomes on the results in the OP article.

 

"Republicans And Independents Would Defend America If Invaded — Dems Say They Would Flee"

fake polls, republicans would flee in a heartbeat, we saw Ted Cruz in action

 

"The results of the poll are no surprise to me. The democrats think America was never that great."

Republicans ran the last two elections saying America was not great[/quote]

 

Why don't you explain then why people from many many different countries swarm to Mexico to invade our southern border? Why don't you give examples of other countries having the same situation at the same magnitude? They come here because we are exceptional and you have been brainwashed!

 

That's how virtually all polls work. They very rarely, if ever, provide definitions for the terms used. They just ask them in plain English and expect respondents to use their best understanding of the words and phrases. So, for example, when they ask someone if they are Republican, Democrat, or independent, they're asking the respondents to self-identify. They're not providing definitions of what those labels mean, and they're not doing any sort of verification beyond what the respondents self-identify as. The same goes for when asking if someone is conservative or liberal, or pro-choice vs pro-life, or whatever other issue they may be polling about.

 

Because a false idea of being exceptional without seeing the exceptional in others creates a false national superiority , and the kind of nationalism that erects reasons to be AGAINST others, creates animosity and impedes alliances.
IMO there are many reasons to be proud of a country without ignoring the problems or recognising exceptionalism in others.
I doubt people are generous enough to do this though. It works against the herd instinct.

 

Oh dear.
For the last ten years millions of migrants have arrived into Europe via Italy and Greece, spreading out across Europe. Tens of thousands have camped outside calais waiting to get into rubber dinghies to get to the UK by crossing the English Channel.
The issue of migration in the UK is what fuelled Brexit.
Hundreds of thousands of migrants are camped in Turkey or Jordan waiting for asylum somewhere in Europe.
Almost all European countries have migration issues.
Australia has had very large numbers of migrants trying to enter and at one time parked them all on an island off shore until it was closed for breaching human rights legislation.
Your problems re Mexico may seem a problem but you are not exceptional.

 

Age makes it highly unlikely but in my head, if either France or the UK asked me to do something to defend it, I would definitely go.
I feel embedded in both and am familiar and wedded to the ideological foundations and historical culture in both. They are the identities of both and I would defend them always.

 

I think you may have missed the highlighted phrase. Yes, other countries have immigrants. Nobody comes within a country mile of approaching the volume of immigrants that the United States receives:

International migrants by country | Pew Research Center

Current estimates are that more than 50 million people living in USA are foreign-born. Second place has 15.8 million.

Immigration by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)

 

Doing a quick check by this site:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/549292/foreign-born-population-of-eu/

the rough estimate of foreign born people permanently residing legally in Europe comes to 47 million
in 2020. By now that will have been about 50 million.
Given the roughly equal size of Europe/USA, I don't think the comparison says you have any more than Europe is.
Of course you can't compare COUNTRIES when some European countries don't tally 50 million of native population.
Only the top 5 most populated countries in Europe have over 50 million people inclusive of foreign born.
https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/

As you would expect, I care less for numbers and more for population per square mile.
Not of course forgetting that migrants are a huge engine for growth in a country.

Every migrant is not a problem. Migrant does not mean illegal black economy drain on a national economy.
You could have added me into the statistics as foreign born...I was born in the UK. I took nothing but what was legally due to me until I left.

 

Meant to add, I expect most people would feel the same.

 

Well it sounds to me like that at the very least (assuming your assumptions are true) you are implying that Western European countries are exceptional to others. I don't see masses of immigration clamoring to get into Russia, China, or even Argentina. Anyway, I don't see the numbers you're talking about any way close to those in this Nation.
Most all of those countries you mention ARE Nato countries. What do you think makes them exceptional? Why do you think USA is their # 1 contributor??? I still maintain USA is most exceptional due to our Constitution and the people who still embrace it. Probably because we have more checks and balances against the flawed human nature than any government on earth. I would defend it and do not care to go anywhere else.

 

Yes they are. Australia and Am America are current examples of that. The majority of "illegal" entries are a drain on the culture. Those that take the time to migrate embracing the laws of the Nation they desire to join, as apparently you did, are generally great contributors.

Again, you may not agree the U.S. is exceptional, but it seems your own posts would agree "certain cultures are".

 

I don't see anything wrong with the belief we are exceptional. I understand the globalist conception, however, that is, "we are only as great as the lowest common denominator". Karl Marx would agree with that. I would describe myself as an American Nationalist (no race indicated) who respects any nation who values the the same virtues that I hold dear. That would include most of NATO.

 

I said clearly I think no countries are exceptional.
They have the same economic problems because they are tied into the same global trading system
They have the same conflicting ideologies.
They all have wars of various kinds at various times on their development.
The rest is simply elements of an individual culture.

 

You see this is where you are not accurate.
Your constitution is not unique. Much of it sprang from post french revolution or post war UN agreements.
You don't have more checks and balances than other western countries. The 3 ring circus exists in all EU democracies plus other places.
I do wish American education included the ROW or at least western ones.

 

You are all over the place.
Russia, China or Argentina are not western countries.
What does NATO have to do with migration?
No. Europe is not exceptional in its migration issues. My point is, neither is the USA. The problems and numbers are almost the same.

 

Donald dodged the draft for Vietnam, so it's obvious he would be nowhere near any war if the US would be attacked.

 

Here I'll make it easy to avoid the confusion, I'll do it "Kamala" style".....I am not all over the place as you say. Western Countries are more exceptional than others.
Of the Western countries, U.S. is the most exceptional. More people want to come to the U.S. than any other country.

There is a trend in the west. Competition is bad. We no longer glorify exceptionalism. There is a trend to give "participation trophies" as opposed to first and second place. The idea is to eliminate exceptionalism and as I said earlier, we should see ourselves as no better than the lowest common denominator. That is precisely why I believe you have said "America is not exceptional". A noted result....only an elite will reap the benefits of the lower class they create.

 

No real proof of that....how did Bill Clinton or Obama avoid draft?

 

Of course dems would flee its all about them.

 

So you're saying Democrats just don't want to join the military? Or they're not personally willing to take up weapons to defend their society unless it is as part of an official organized government military force?
It's unclear what you're saying.