Republicans overwhelmingly still think Trump should run

And you don't understand how much the majority of the country despises Trump. He's an egocentric ******* of epic proportions. He had the worst GDP
of any modern President. He couldn't pass legislation to build his wall, rebuild infrastructure, completely failed to pass any healthcare package, lost
the House and Senate, is responsible for the abortion mess that will lead to the end of pediatric health care availability in many states as doctors
head to states that won't put them in jail. You can't win an election on "Democrats Bad."

 

We can obviously see the competence he had while in office, especially since Biden kicked off his administration with a disastrous withdrawal and surrendering arms to the Taliban. You have no basis for calling Trump a liar. Nothing compared to "I've had no business dealings with my son Hunter".

 

Why do you pretend to tell me what I don't understand?

 

There's literally 1000s of reasons to call trump a liar. He is well known for lying.
Take the 2020 election as one of the biggest examples.

 

And there are 1000 reasons to say the election was stolen. Suppression of the Hunter laptop story being one of them. We all knew something was up when the results turned on a dime in the wee hours of the morning.

 

BS.
No one, yourself included ever offered any credible evidence. NO ONE.

So that makes his claim a lie.

 

I gave you one that is a stated fact. The FBI worked with a left wing social media, lied and suppressed a story that would have undoubtedly overturned the election. There are other points but you couldn't even deal with that one so I won't give you more. My hope is, we get a different America 1st candidate this time, and if you start pulling this impeachment, indictment bullshit.....it will be quite obvious to the Americans that are not concerned in turning this nation into a Socialist bastion of totalitarianism.

 

Baloney. You're making it up.

 

I think Trump should continue to run. There is nothing to be gained for traditional conservative politics by Trump dropping out. We need Republicans and conservatives to fight like hell against the perverted agenda pushed by leftist/Democrats that is dragging our culture and our instituions into perversion and nihilism. In additon, from a purely secular view, America will be lucky to avoid economic collapseass Dems are doing everything possible to insure the U.S. dollar losing reserve currancy status. Considering our more than $30,000,000,000,000 federal debt the result will be complete collapse of the country.

 

Republicans always pride themselves on being commonsense, practical people. So, from a commonsense, practical standpoint what is the probability that Trump can win the presidential election with all the Democrats, the RINO's, a lot of Independents, and the never-Trumpers against him? An intelligent conservative would do better to find a different, more electable candidate.

 

The only reason why I would want Trump to continue to run is because I don't want the courts and Alvin Bragg to decide who is on the ballot.

Otherwise, I would be happy if Trump dropped out because I don't want to vote for him 2024. He had his time. He blew it at the end of his term by saying too much at the Covid press conferences. Then he really blew it when he kept carping about the election results until January 6 and beyond. It was over at the end of November when it was obvious that the courts were not going to investigate voting irregularities.

I doubt that the courts could have found any because what cheating there was went on with mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting a collection points. Proving anything from that would be impossible.

 

If Trump had had airtight proof that there was election cheating and fraud, he should have brought that out to the public, but he didn't. He should have had the wisdom to acknowledge the result of the election and bowed out gracefully. And he never should have rallied the mob at the capitol on January 6. If he had handled his defeat intelligently he would be almost unstoppable today, because the Biden admn. has been very bad for this country in almost every way, and most people know it. But in spite of that, Trump may drag the entire Republican Party and all conservatives down to defeat again if he's the nominee in 2024.

 

I think the problem you guys had with the election was how you had a candidate winning, then suddenly people observed dodgy things going on (doors/curtains closed, boxes moving about etc...) and suddenly, the losing candidate was millions of votes Infront. So the Republicans smelt a rat. Simply counting bits of paper won't achieve anything.

When the election was audited, did they pick, say a county, check that each vote had a voter, that each voter is alive, that each voter lived in the county, and was each voter asked who they voted for and did it match the voting record. That would be a proper audit, recounting paperwork is not of much use.

 

We would all be much better off if both Biden and Trump ran....off into the hills somewhere.

 

I agree with others the indictment shouldn't matter. I didn't want him to run the first time, the second time and don't want him to this time. But I don't want this indictment to be the deciding factor in the matter. Unfortunately it is probably getting him MORE support than he would have. I think the question is is that what the Dems want out of it?

 

Most of those were halted by the courts. I don't think there were enough fraudulent votes in any district to have changed any out come as far as the Presidential race. But that does not belie the view that there were LOTS of problems in LOTS of areas due to officials violating election rules and even law in changed days, methods and confusion in collecting and counting ballots. That did and still does need to be looked at in a rational unbiased means as was done with the Carter-Baker Commission. There perhaps should be more federal safeguards against such election encroachment by local officials.

 

His being targetted for things we know are common within our corrupt political establishment are clearly an attempt to bully him from running. The correct response to bullying is to do the opposite of what the bullys want. He should run.

Really just all our other corrupt politicians should be similarly indicted as well, but that's not gonna Fing happen anytime soon because they're the ones pulling the strings on who gets indicted.

 

How has it changed? Is anyone preventing Trump from running? Has he abandoned his campaign?

As for "What the hell happened to this country" the answer is right wing extremism.

There used to be a time when a candidate saying "You can grab them by the ___________" would have ended someone's run for office. But not now. The Right Wing Extremists don't care about anything except "owning the libs". The more someone shocks an outrages anyone not in the group the more they like that person. It's insane. The party of Goldwater and Reagan no longer exists. It is now the party of Trump, Greene, Boebert and the other RW nutjobs.

 

According to data from New York's division of criminal justice services, in the first three quarters of 2022, the average criminal case in Manhattan took more than 900 days (over two years) to move from indictment to a trial verdict, reported Reuters.

 

When did that change? Trump was your last nominee-- because of the will of the people. It looks like, barring any really big twists, he will be, again, in 2024.

Biden had also been the Democratic voters' consensus candidate. So, you are complaining about a loss which is, in no way, evident. Could you give examples of how "the way we used to do things"-- that is, letting, "the voters decide who should win in the primaries, and then (in) the general (election)"-- has changed?

 

I guess that should tell you something about how many "intelligent conservative(s)" remain in the Republican Party, after the last seven years-- at least, relative to total number in the current GOP, who are motivated by less sensible thought processes. Things have degraded to be just about very base, and ugly emotions, now.

I would expect eventually, however, that the true Republican conservative diaspora, will eventually coalesce, to form a new Party, and put forth its own, moderate, reasonable, conservative candidates. While it may remain a smaller Party than either of the other two, that does not mean that it could not be successful enough to put itself into the catbird's seat.

That is, we could see a Congress in which neither Major Party could pass legislation, without that third Party signing on, with at least some support. Their united opposition, would then be able to kill just about any legislation, if it did not have very broad, bipartisan approval. Should this situation develop as I think it possibly could, that may not be all that bad.

 

I think, this is a ~*~ Dogmatic Flapdoodle~*~ attempt to disguise and misrepresent the true nature of what actually happened in the real world of politics. Just another twister political game card has been played. imho

 

Yet the reality says otherwise. At least please read the Eastman memo. If you do so, you will be the first Trump defender I've encountered in the forums who is willing to do so. I'm sorry that you think that the Constitution and the ECA are "Dogmatic Flapdoodles."

 

Your reality, not mine. I do love to read information and critique it for myself.
I’m sorry, Thanks but no thanks, I won’t be the first Trump defender to be willing to do so.
For one reason and one reason only…

Nice try with another ~*~ Dogmatic Flapdoodle~*~ attempt of misrepresenting the true nature of my Respect for The U.S. Constitution.
Just another twister political game card being played. Thanks for the on my face!

 

So you won't read the Eastman memo?