Republicans Took The First Step In Repealing Obamacare

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  1. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Is this great news or what? And done in the early morning hours. Looks like
    the Republicans are using the Democrat play book. Whatever it takes to
    repeal this disaster.

    Personally I don't believe it needs to be replaced since we've never needed
    it, don't need it nor will we ever need it.

    Just get rid of it roots and all.

    From Townhall
    In the early morning hours, while most of the country was asleep, Senate Republicans took
    the first step in repealing Obamacare, with a budget resolution that passed on a 51-48
    party-line vote. A simple majority was all that was required for it to pass since Republicans
    will be using the reconciliation process to avoid a Democratic filibuster. The House is set
    to take up the resolution on Friday (via Associated Press):

    The Senate early Thursday passed a measure to take the first step forward on dismantling
    President Barack Obama's health care law, responding to pressure to move quickly even
    as Republicans and President-elect Trump grapple with what to replace it with.

    The nearly party-line 51-48 vote came on a nonbinding Republican-backed budget
    measure that eases the way for action on subsequent repeal legislation as soon as next
    month.

    "We must act quickly to bring relief to the American people," said Senate Majority Leader
    Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

    The House is slated to vote on the measure on Friday, though some Republicans there have
    misgivings about setting the repeal effort in motion without a better idea of the replacement plan.

    Trump oozed confidence at a news conference on Tuesday, promising his incoming
    administration would soon reveal a plan to both repeal so-called Obamacare and replace it
    with legislation to "get health care taken care of in this country."
     
  2. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    So the first 60+ attempts (bills) the GOP wrote to repeal Obamacare don't count?
     
  3. shades

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    buh bye Obama, and take Obamacare with you

    Elections have consequences
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

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    If at first you don't succeed, try and try again. The COUNTRY itself hated this law, and thankfully it's being gutted.
     
  5. TomFitz

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    Actually the individual parts of the law were wildly popular.'

    There are polls that say people don't like Obamacare, but when the pollsters ask the people that don't like it to describe what it is, most can't answer the question.

    Of course, the most popular solution is universal single payer health insurance, like they have in all the civilized modern countries (where they pay half of what we pay).
     
  6. WalterSobchak

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    Too bad for you it won't be repealed/gutted.
     
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    I thought it was interesting to watch.

    The GOP Congressional leadership was all set to repeal the Affordable Care Act and put nothing in its place, except the vague promise that they might come up with something eventually..

    Since the GOP has yet to offer an alternative to the ACA, and has literally had years to do it, there's not much reason to expect that they would be able to craft and sell a replacement anytime soon.

    Repeal without any realistic idea of what would come next was going to create chaos in the health care industry.'

    With no realistic idea what the marketplace was going to look like, and not much confidence that Congress was going to come up with anything that was either comprehensive or good policy in any reasonable time frame, the price of health care was going to skyrocket, as all the players priced in their unknowble risk.

    Frankly, I was hoping the Republicans would be this dumb. They showed every sign of being this dumb.

    But then McConnell looked to Trump for leadership.

    Trump vetoed the idea of repeal without replace, grandly promising that repeal and replace would happen in the same day and soon.
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    Never mind that there is no plan of any sort on the table. They haven't even started yet. Evidently, the Clown Prince thinks he can wave his magic wand, or at least he said so in his press conference yesterday.

    Until then, the ACA remains the law of the land.

    I hope that the GOP can address the shortcomings of the ACA. Frankly, insurance industry lobbyists worked hard to fill it with booby traps, and the GOP, of course, sabatoged the effort by having GOP states refuse to expand Medicaid (turning down free money, and hurting many of their own constituents). It's no surprise that the biggest increases in Obamacare premiums are happening (for the most part) in GOP states.

    It's also the height of hypocricy for Republicans to rant about high deductibles, as Congressman Ryan did today. After all, EVERY GOP proposal is based on high deductibles.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You feel comfortable speaking about deliberate ignorance concerning Obamacare, which is collapsing under its own weight, and the bad stuff hasnt even hit yet?

    Irony is my favorite.
     
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    Through the ACA(Medicaid expansion) we already know single payer won't work. But there's plenty I dislike. I dislike the class warfare the law perpetutates(the 40 hr limit, the wage scaling for subsidies inherently pits both worker/entrepreneurs against each other.) I hate the concept of being forced to do anything involuntarily, etc.

    The law is as Anti-American as it is an insult on our country. Then there's the higher costs of premiums, etc. We hate the law.
     
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    rolfmafao!!!!!

    a little reminder :)
     
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    Replace health insurance with Ferrari.

    Now tell me we're all entitled to a Ferrari.

    Simple fact is that health insurance isn't a right and it never was.

    Health insurance is a resource and like any resource there is a finite amount of it.

    Maybe one day we'll get to a point where getting a coronary bypass is as easy as ordering takeout but that day isn't today.

    And if you want to talk about providing health care to those who cant afford it why not simply look to eliminate waste and use the recouped funds to lessen the burden?

    You ever wonder about how many hundreds of millions of dollars that doctors, hospitals, and providers have to cover every year due to illegal immigrants using a system they aren't entitled to?

    And what about things like State funded gender reassignment surgery for incarcerated criminals, ever-changing impossible to plan for government regulations, bad trade deals that fluctuate supply chains and skew pricing, and so on?

    Do you know its estimated that we could shave $1 trillion dollars a year off the cost of healthcare if the governments part in the business was managed better?
     
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    Yep people really loved that tax on bandaids. Oh and they being forced to purchase a service. Parts of it maybe needed but the overall package is garbage. For example, my first child cost me $100 out of pocket thanks to insurance, that was before Obamacare. My second child cost me $2,000 out of pocket, thanks to insurance changes under Obamacare.

    Go ahead tell me I'm lying, the left's refusal to listen is why they are where they are politically. A regional party
     
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    hmm, some years I had ZERO increase and another year about 3% increase.

    Once the ACA passed and wasn't even implemented the money grab began and premiums soared

    I am not talking about me an employee. I'm talking about me the employer who pays the premiums and decides how much I need the employees to contribute
     
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    and so it begins, Obama's legacy is already on it's way out. next will be his executive orders which will be gone like candles in the wind by February
     
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    A proud day for America.

    With no other plan in place, the GOP once again moves against the port and middle class, subjecting folks to their political whims while chanting meaningless mantras.

    This is what America seems to be about. Political parties trying to score cheap points among folks too indifferent to know they are getting screwed.
     
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    Yeah this is what the neoMarxist said during the election and they lost.
     
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    Um, okay.
     
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    Seriously? So legally forcing the american people to pay unaffordable skyrocketing premiums for coverage with unaffordable and skyrocketing deductibles and copayments, forcing the struggling and shrinking middle class to pay these unaffordable premiums for the poor, who still can't use the coverage due to unaffordable deductibles..... this solved what exactly?

    It made things worse, not better and fyi, i pay for Obamacare, i don't get subsidies, it's horrific and getting worse every year.
     
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    The Middle class is cheering this. They are the ones who have been hung out to dry with the costs of Obamacare. The overwhelming majority of Americans were happy with their healthcare prior to the passing of Obamacare.
     
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    Right. Because a $12,000 -18,000 in annual premiums, $10,000 - 12,000 deductible and meager 70% coverage after deductible policy is just what Doctor Obama ordered for the poor and the middle class.
     
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    Elections have consequences, so sorry Oblameo.

    The way the ACA was snuck through in the middle of the night through hook and crook doomed it at the outset.
    Americans like to have a say in things of such magnitude. The GOP may have been better served to let Obamacare get rid of itself in the next year, so admire them for caring more about the people to kill it before it dragged more money over the waterfall.
     
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    Glad to see you agree
     
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    Can you tell me why I should be forced to pay for someone else's insurance?
     
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    They're just pissed because the plan is getting interrupted. Obamacare was designed to fail so the next President would be forced to put the government option into place. Of course they assumed the next President was going to be a democrat at best or a weak kneed republican at worst. Both would have led to government controlled healthcare. Little did they know President Obama's terrible leadership would lead to a Trump presidency.
     
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    Can you tell me why I should be forced to pay for corporations to stay here and build in our towns and then increase the welfare need by paying (*)(*)(*)(*) salaries and not offering any benefits?

    Can you tell me why I should pay to subsidize all the poor loud mouth republicans living in red states?

    Can you tell me why I should pay to subsidize a protected tax exempt status for some of the most well oiled profit machines in modern history, like churches and religion in general?

    Can you?
     

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