Republicans Took The First Step In Repealing Obamacare

Are those serious questions? If so, read them again and the decide if you were being serious or not. Regardless, you didn't answer my question on why I should be forced to pay someone else's bills.

 

Oh, I'm serious.

I asked you a question, rather, a series of questions. I can answer your question for you.

This is a society. As a society, we have an objective moral value, and moral duty, to take care of each other. It reinforces solidarity, and it creates a sense of purpose and unity, for the society as a whole. Aiding each other is a requirement to be in a society.

Since you fail to recognize that a society ceases to function when left to greedy desires (like corporate welfare), I guess we can assume very much of import about your political stance.

Now, please, I eagerly await your answer to -all- of my posed questions, since I was kind enough to answer yours.

 

I'm quite certain that I've forgotten more about Obamacare than you ever knew.

I have been on it.

It saved my wife's life, and we didn't have to declare bankruptcy.

It wasn't cheap. Health insurance isn't cheap. Most people have no idea what their health insurance really costs since they don't pay the bill.

 

Yep my wife and i pay over $750 a month for medical and dental.... Guess we are stupid for working so we are not getting a subsidy.

 

Sneaky Republicans are going to dismantle it little by little with nothing to replace it with. I'm all for repeal but I want to see what they are going to replace it with! I don't have Obamacare but know many people who do. I hope these legislators don't leave the low-income and middle class that don't have insurance through their employers left hung out to dry! They don't care because they have the Gold Standard of health insurance paid for by the TAXPAYERS! Whatever they come up with, if anything, I think they should be forced to take it themselves. Why should they receive the best healthcare and give little concern to what other people get! They are in a hurry to fulfill a campaign promise made by President-Elect Trump without worrying about the repercussions.

 

What corporations are your tax dollars forced to sponsor?

No one is forcing those people to take those jobs. According to Obama unemployment is low so there should be plenty of other jobs available. Besides, a low paying job is better than no job.

I challenge you to find a republican on this board who says you should. But if you're going to open this door then don't forget to include illegals, refugees and poor loud mouth liberals.

How do you pay for someone else's tax exemption?

No argument from me. Let's start with the churches of Sharpton, Jackson, Wright and Farrakhan.

And since you say we have a moral duty to take care of each other then those on Welfare and other benefits have a moral duty to get off them so others can benefit from this moral duty, right? But, no, I do not feel I have a moral duty to pay the insurance bills of people who won't work and sustain themselves all while the left wants to legalize drugs which will impair the health of the people taking them.

The odd thing about this moral duty you speak of is it has to be forced upon us under a threat by the IRS. A person's moral duty should be voluntary and, if forced, certainly shouldn't exceed that person's ability to pay which requires a lifestyle change, and that's exactly what Obamacare did to me.

You seem to feel good about yourself believing that millions of people have health insurance paid for by other people even though these people with their new found insurance can't use it. Why do you feel no compassion about the millions of working people who are being destroyed by Obamacare, either through the high costs or the loss of their jobs or the amount of hours they work if they still have one?

If Obamacare worked we wouldn't be repealing it, would we?

 

Not only that, but if you lost your job, there was no way you were going to find affordable health insurance; unless you were born a Trump of course.

 

It's about time the great abomination of Obama Care, never popular with the majority and rammed through into law on strictly party lines, is being dismantled.
People who can't even afford to use their medical care because "Affordable Care" deductibles are sky high, while they are subsidizing the health care of others,
are sick of this travesty of justice and it's time for euthanasia where Obama Care is concerned.

 

We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out. My opinion is that the entire bill needs to repealed, lock stock and barrel. But I suspect there won't be enough Republicans who have the (*)(*)(*)(*)s to make that happen.

I would be content if all they did was to repeal the individual mandate, which would free every citizen from having to feed that beast, and would effectively defang it from ever biting us again. Regarding a "replacement" bill, that's like repealing a disease and replacing it with a new disease. It makes no sense. Just kill that turkey.

 

Are you saying Obamacare is affordable?

 

And I take umbrage with your assumption.

Tell me what parts of the failing law are yet to be implemented. Tell me what the fee structure is designed to do through 2020... Tell me what medicaid expansion states responsibility structure looks loke through 2025.

Or have you forgotten?

 

Obamacare didn't work.

The problem was that they tried to find some sort of middle ground and basically gave everything up to insurance companies. Their are components of it that are great (no more pre-existing conditions, etc..etc..) but the cost was placed on the group of people (young and healthy with good paying jobs) who were least likely to want to pay for something they weren't using (yet).

Personally I will always stand by my notion that the best system uses public funds to pay for those at the bottom/bottom-middle, while private options are available for those who can pay for it (and keep the two systems separate so that those that can pay aren't bumping those who can't to the back of the line). Use the Govt purchasing power to bring down the costs of care and drugs, while supporting the R and D divisions that make the US famous for it's discoveries.

Obamacare failed as a whole, while helping a few.

I wonder what will happen to those few when things are changed.

 

I work for a Fortune 500 company and we've seen our insurance premiums sky rocket the last few years. Rather than getting beat up by the employees, my company has set up a series of conference calls with our provider, United Health Care, so they could answer the questions about the costs. What they told us was my company pays them money for our insurance and then UHC decides how much it will actually cost to insure us and then makes us pay the difference. When we asked why the rates went through the roof they said changes in the health care laws require them to insure of for things previously left uncovered, like sex changes, old sterile women getting pregnant, and so on. They also said the bureaucracy created by the Obamacare laws greatly increased costs as more personnel were needed to deal with it. While they would never come out and admit it, they seriously implied that Obamacare was the driver behind the high costs and deductibles. But they did admit that the narrative that health insurance costs are always rising is false in how it relates to what Obamacare is forcing insurers to do - yes, costs rise every year but nothing like we've seen under Obama and that's to be expected when people are insured but can't pay for it, because someone has to. In other words, UHC blamed Obama for the high costs.

 

Lol

This is going to be fun. Watching righties flail around trying to cover everyone with something new that isn't the aca and isn't a full public option.

Can't wait to see what you come up with. Please please please get rid of all of it and let's just see what happens. Lol

 

Why does everyone have to be covered? And why do I have to pay for it? But you guys did your job well, you essentially created an entitlement many people don't have to contribute to which guarantees you voters, especially if the people who do contribute to it object and don't wish to pay. If there is anything the left loves to create it's parasites who will vote for them as long as they keep feeding them other people's money.

 

Yes, the Senate voted late at night like the cowards they are. Like vampires....

 

Did they lock themselves in a room where democrats weren't allowed in to give their input?

 

My family has been self employed for 20 years and I'm NOT blissfully ignorant about what I paid for my health coverage then compared to what I pay for it now. My previous plan was affordable with a deductible that wouldn't break me, it also had dental & vision benefits. I lost than plan when obamacare became law. Now I"m paying 2.25x the premium with double the deductible and no vision/dental. Are you blissfully ignorant?

 

Then your plan didn't meet the minimum standard. Most likely they had a cap and would have cut you off when you needed them most. What people don't get is that health insurance companies were running a scam. That is why it was cheaper; beyond the fact that the cost of medicine has been rising dramatically for two decades.

It's easy to sell cheap insurance if you never have to pay up.

They probably refused to insure anyone with preexisting conditions as well.

 

And below is what we ended up with.

This is the third time I've posted this picture today. This is the rate for someone in New Mexico in the 88012 zip code where I live and it's for a married couple with an 18 year old living with them...oh, and their income is $25,000, or they make about $2000 a month and have to pay $1500 a month in premiums. This is not affordable. You can run these numbers yourself on the Obamacare exchange at healthcare.gov. And here's a link to more: http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...care-prices-real-deal-must-seen-believed.html

 

Keep trying, there was no cap. I was happy with the plan. I was told I could keep my plan. It was a PPO plan with BCBS with a far lower deductible than I have now, free preventative care, etc.

 

The beginning of the end of the obama legacy!

 

This post in nonsense and so far from reality only a first time insured "COULD" believe it! I have been insured thru employers my entire adult life starting at 18 years old and a fact of life is thing increase in cost EVERYTHING, including group insurance contribution! What you want people to believe is hogwash, my premiums on average went up "Maybe!" $15-$25 bucks a year and always provided the exact same coverage "GOOD" coverage over four decades and OOP expense was $1000 at 18 years old and finally $1500 until Democrats decided to make things cheaper.

Just in the last eight years my OOP for two people is 5K now, prescription meds are tied in to the deductible so essentially I have NO prescription coverage. When I now go for my yearly annual that was once 100% covered is no longer covered and no where near the OOP obligation I have to pay soooo basically unless my pekker drops off and needs major reattachment surgery I basically pay for everything as if I have no medical at all! Finally, my payroll deduction has gone up in eight years under this new Bendova plan then it did over the 40 years before OBarry cares.

Mind you this is just a few things that have changed, what it has done to employee is even worse, like this year "2017" the employer still has to supply insurance but now they don't have to provide even descent plan to employee's working less than 32 hours a week! So now guess what folks are working per week and just what type of crap insurance they're paying for!

BTW my insurer is BC/BS

 

Ya that looks about the same as we can get here thru the exchange. All this ACA was created to do was give everyone garbage coverage and they knew the kiddies would eventually pay the fines and the POS politicians are using their gold plated shovels to load the gold plated wheelbarrows.

There is rumor that the GOP is going to leave Obarry care intact and throw up a new and better option to it and let good old capitalism bury the POS to the point they can simply shred it and use it as a soil conditioner!

 

Are you asking me why everyone has to be covered? lol

OK. It's safer. It's efficient. It more people are treated and less people rely on charity. Also people don'tgo bankrupt.

Are you telling me that I love parasites?

And yes a lot of people don't pay but far more people newly insured do pay. In fact everyone who can pay does pay.

Please respond I'd like to hear your thoughts.