Rick Perry vs. Ron Paul

What are you trying to say? That we should be helping other people instead of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

Because they think we are evil...

 

I agree with that...why do they think we are evil?

 

Our way of life and the Democratic values we promote around the world.

 

We should mind our own business and stop creating monsters. Iran would never have been a Theocracy if we didn't replace the Democratically Elected Government... Iraq would have never had Saddam in power with the arsenal of Chemical Weapons if we didn't support it. In Chile Augusto Pinochet would have never killed thousands of his own people and rule with an iron fist if it weren't for the United States coup of Chile. Look up the countries I listed and you'll see the United States backing of Military Officers overthrowing Governments... enforcing PRO-USA ideology and butchering their own people.

 

That's not true. We don't promote democracy. We have overthrown many democratically elected leaders and installed US-friendly puppet dictators...not just in the Middle East, but in Latin America and Asia as well. We only pretend to promote democracy but that is really just propaganda.

The real reason they hate us is because of our continuous meddling in the Middle East. The technical term is blowback. The CIA's Bin Laden expert has even said that Bin Laden's biggest greivence with the United States was our intervention in the Middle East.

 

So we should mind our own business, support dictators, and let them do what they do. Gotcha.

 

What? Do you bother to read or do you simply avoid the discussion at hand about the United States government creating these Dictators we now fear? The United States Government is an Imperialist Country and to say otherwise is to simply...

 

That's your version of it. The hate us because we support Israel who is considered a strong ally. The US has given money to both Palestinians and Israelites in an attempt to broker peace deals which included provisions for a Palestinian state. It's disingenuous to assert that the US is meddling in the US. Only the Palestinian terrorist organization such as PLO, and other terrorist groups like Hamas, the Islamic Jihad have purposely targeted innocent civilians.

Also you have reminded me no more then I HATE about Ron Paul. He wants to get rid of the CIA.

 

Well you said it not me.

 

I directly said that the USA's coups established Dictators in power and overthrew Elected Governments (Not Dictators/Monarchs) from what the people desired. The United States foreign Policy creates the Monsters the Media displays on the TV that we fear.

 

Saddam, Hugo and Bashar al-Assad are dictators...Was in Saddam's case.

 

It's not my "version" of it, what I said is completely factual. Also I don't see how this contradicts anything I said. In fact you only strengthened my points. Everything you described here falls under the category of intervention in the Middle East.

You're contradicting yourself now. Giving money and weapons to both sides of a conflict is meddling. It's not just the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, what about the Iran-Iraq War? We built Saddam Hussein up, gave him WMDs and let him use them on Iran, while at the same time backing Iran.

Why are we funding them then?

And what about Saddam Hussein? We armed him with WMDs that he used not only on Iranians, but on his own innocent civlians. What about the U.S.-installed Shah in Iran from '53-'79? He had a secret police force that targeted innocent civilians as well.

We should get rid of the CIA. We can't afford it. It's unconstitutional. What's wrong with supporting the Constitution? It's one of the most pro-American anti-hippie things you can do. (Hippies hate the Constitution)

 

Syria was blowback from installing Colonel Al-Zaim back in 1949.

Iraq was having a constant bloodbath for the past century... they've had four to five different Governments in the 20th Century. With the Shah falling out of Power and Theocratic State rising the United States had to retaliate against Iran which they found their new Puppet Saddam to enforce their will. Saddam attacked Iran using US weapons and also recieved Chemical Weapons from the US Government too which was later used to kill their own people.

Hugo Chavez disliked the foreign Policy the United States had against Colombia and allied themselves with Iraq+Cuba. This further angered the USA and in 2002 tried to overthrow the Government but, failed... One more reason for Huge Chavez and the people of Venezuela to hate America.

 

The nutcase is you and people like you.

I think you take offense to the fact that he speaks the truth about people who can't take care of themselves and depend on others and the govrnment for their well being. I come to this conclusion based on your comment about dr. Paul, and the fact that you support sell out liars such as Biden and Obama.

This video is incredible, a clear example of Ron Pauls integrity from his honesty and loyalty to the constitution, as well as not only to americans liberty and freedom, but to humans everywhere. He truly is Thomas Jefferson reincarnated. I need to meet this guy to express my gratitude for his service to the USA, and humanity.

And yeah, what was perry doing in 1988? He was in the air force, right? Probably flying an aircraft armed with weapons and killing innocent people in other nations that did nothing to the USA to deserve it. Someone find a video of perry in 1988. Let's see where that freakshow was.

 

Trying to help with peace is not meddling. Meddling would be taking sides without knowing the issues. We only started doing that when it was clear when one side did not want peace.

How am I contradicting myself?

You're right about the Iran Iraq war but not about the Israel Palestinian conflict. We didn't give weapons. We gave money. Israel arms industry is one of the strongest in the world. We didn't need to give them anything.

How are we funding terrorist?

The CIA is vital to our national security. He thinks the CIA runs the military. I think the military would laugh at the notion that they take orders from the CIA. They take orders from the President. His views on the national security are too hippie for me.

 

Good for them. Seems like they have a free pass to do whatever they want since we can't take an official stance on the way they are running their own country.

 

The US gov/banks funds the Mexican drug cartel, they also funded Osama bin laden approx. 25 years ago, and they also fund the military industrial complex which has participated in the manufactured wars such as Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

lol. The CIA are a bunch of corrupt jack offs. I bet you would change your mind about them if you found out they watch you shower. You have no clue the type of weapons that are being created thanks to the engineers they employ with your tax money. Think uav's. Do you know what those are? They can make them now the size of a bug.

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/in...-insect-like-surveillance-uavs-a-reality.html

 

I was referring to the PLO, Islamist Jihadist and Hamas. How are we funding them?

I could understand why someone would want to watch me in the shower. I'm perfect. There's that and the fact that I'm not a citizen. So better keep a close eye on me. I might be bad.

In all seriousness, I love the mantra about people who think the CIA is spying on them. What exactly makes you so special that the CIA would want to look at you in the shower? What makes you so interesting that the CIA would want to listen in on your phone call?

The only thing that would make you interesting is if you were a terrorist.

I know what UAVs are and they are actually very combat effect when it comes to helping soldiers on the battlefield. They're also very good temporary replacements for satellite and can pretty much be used as drones.

 

It's one thing to actively say we dislike their policies and another to impose embargos, establish coups, threaten them and invade them.

 

As Sean Hannity explained last night.Ron Paul might seem great
if we just worried and put up a huge barrier around this country.
But outside that barrier exists bad dictators and evil foe who will
stop at nothing to get at us.Ron Paul's Isolationast rhetoric and
philosophy puts at great risk the security of this Country.Ron Paul,
like Pat Buchanan takes too lightly the import of a very strong Military
and going after our named enemies abroad.

 

Funding and arming both sides of a conflict is not trying to help with peace. If we really cared about peace, we would stop intervening economically and only intervene diplomatically. The military industrial complex does not want that to happen.

You said that they hate us because we support Israel, and that we have funded both sides of the conflict. That is meddling. Whether or not you want to believe it, that Palestinian money has trickled down to organizations like the PLO, allowing them to more efficiently kill Israelis...and also we are arming Israel to more efficiently kill Palestinians. The CIA directly built up the PLO in the 70s and 80s.

I believe you are incorrect, the United States does in fact give weapons to Israel.

http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/israel050602.html

The PLO is indirectly funded by the US and was built up by the CIA. We funded Bin Laden in the 70s. We funded Saddam Hussein. We funded the Shah in Iran. That's terrorism.

Dr. Paul has never stated that the CIA runs the military.

However, they have unconstitutionally participated in overthrowing countless democratically elected leaders in Asia, the Middle East and Latin America, which caused hatred of the United States and blowback like 9/11. They built up Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden in the 70s. The CIA is not vital to our national security, and has in fact been a threat to our national security. 9/11 would never have happened if the CIA hadn't been unconstitutionally established.

 

You know nothing about US Foreign Policy and the concept of blowback is alien to you

 

Just as I suspected, another lamb not worth the time.

 

Yet you've given me 2 minutes by replying to my post.