I hope they don't omit to cover this interview in the new movie about Thatcher: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbY9pTH8IW4"]The Belgrano - YouTube[/ame]
The Iron Lady also woulda used Vulcan Bombers with Nukes on the Argie Airfields if the Argie Pilots went after the Ark Royal (She Warned them on Worldwide TV and she meant it. Falklands YES /Malvinas NO
Yes. We had a few other names for her north of the border, to be honest. The point well made by Ms Gould was that the ship was illegally hit.
Judging by the number of murders in the UK some of them do, and when firearms aren't available knives seem to suffice.
A normal one? All the key Thatcher crimes erased from the record then, in order to make her palatable to those who don't know the reality. And by this exact method, England ruled the world... I thought we moved past that "keep repeating a lie loud enough and it will become the truth" routine after Hitler's mob were caught out. Sounds like a fictional load of cobblers, as usual. They shouldn't be able to fictionalise acts of a character who did the damage that creature did. It's a serious issue to still living people. And do you? The majority of normal people don't want nutters to have access to guns any more than they already do, because it is a bad idea.
In whose judgement did Thatcher commit a crime? I knew you'd like it. I'm perfectly normal. Like everyone else I don't want "nutters" or criminals to have access to guns. What I don't want is perfectly sensible people being penalised for the actions of those nutters and criminals.
Tap...tap...tap...DIANA GOULD?? And many others who were paying attention. Bobby Sands? Arthur Scargill? Nuclear waste being dumped in Scotland? Negative equity? Union representation in GCHQ? Increased crime levels? Taxing Scotland differently from the rest of the UK? Vulnerable institutionalised patients ejected from long term care dying as a result? On and on... I don't have a sense of humour about that, I remember the cruelty and the misery she caused. As does the rest of this country. I never know what you're talking about and this is no exception. Despite Northern Ireland's laws, UK has one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world. In this country (Scotland), public opinion forced a change to the law regarding air guns and we want stricter laws but have to wrangle with Westminster. Who is being penalised?
English people do not want guns. This is the end of it. And BTW - our Trident fleet is still in operation. I miss the US which didn't think of itself as world police, liberty focing arrogant (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), but those days are long gone.
Raymondo, did you live in the UK in the late 70's and 80's? Many of us here did and she was not widely thought of as you depict. She was a Reagan suck up, a Pinocette suck up and a banker/corporate suck up. She screwed over the entire working class of Britain. Those would be the people not living in the UK during her time in office? Thought so.
The majority voted for Thatcher 3 times. She commanded support that her successors haven't come close to. You must have found the Winter of Discontent a barrel of laughs. No one else did, that's why Labour remained in opposition for 18 years. I paid attention too, and I didn't agree with a lot of what she did and I have no desire to defend her every policy, but the British people voted for her 3 times and she commanded the support that her successors can only dream of. Diana Gould ... as schoolteacher do you think she might not have been in possession of all the facts? And Bobby Sands ... an IRA terrorist? Arthur Scargill ... a firebrand union leader, turned champagne socialist ... in other words her political opponents didn't like her policies - big deal. Anyone else you want to share with us who has evidence of crimes committed by Thatcher? I'm not sure you understand what the word crime means. Law abiding people who wanted to own guns now face rules which are more stringent than ever whilst criminals kill each other, and sometimes apparently perfectly innocent people, too. You might be pleased that the UK has a low gun murder rate, but it is climbing and I'm not complacent about that. You don't have to "wrangle" with Westminster about anything concerning domestic politics. Have your referendum now, please! but be careful what you wish for. I know several Scots who are convinced that Scotland will find itself with a stronger right wing faction once it separates from England.
Labour remained in opposition for the same reason the Tories remained in opposition in recent years. They had no cohesion and were inept. People voted Blair back in because the Tories fell apart and because Blair had some idea of how to deal with business. I'm too young to remember the winter of discontent, btw. But I remember high unemployment and the shipyards and industry all disappearing from this area while Ratcatcher was in power. I remember people down Sawf listening to her yuppy nonsense and getting into negative equity. Etc etc etc but won't go over it all again. Though I did omit to mention the vote rigging in the devolution debate. Scottish people didn't vote her in really. We do have to wrangle with Westminster over gun law, it's reserved to them. Nationalist doesn't mean big fascist, in the contest of SNP. We don't have much racism to deal with up here as England does, we prefer religious bigotry as a national shame issue.
True, people had all sorts of ideas why their former choices weren't and aren't worth voting for and none of the mainstream parties are able to get enough support to form a majority alone. But people do remember how Labour pitched us deeply into debt and that came after the Thatcher years. Blair didn't know how to deal with business at all. Those people also forget that the Tories supported Labour's spending plans and promised to maintain them for most of the time they were in opposition. The Tories also lost their reputation on the economy after the Black Wednesday farce. Vote rigging in the devolution debate? If it happened, it's not the preserve of the Tories, now is it? And like I said, I don't feel the need to defend her every policy. Scottish people formed a part of the British people and the British people voted her in 3 times. It's unfortunate for Scottish socialists that they are so small in number in Britain. And no, you really don't have to wrangle with Westminster. Hold the referendum and it'll be in Scotland's hands if that's what the Scottish people want. Stop blaming Westminster; the ball's in your court. What does racism/nationalism and religious bigotry have to do with Thatcher? Why bring it up in this thread? And racism is on the rise in Scotland. Racism isn't a national shame anyway. People should be entitled to their views provided they don't break the law, distateful though those views are.
What does Racism have to do with Thatcher? Well she did comment that she didn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about Scotland. Then the old witch set about destroying this country. Within her terms of office she ravaged Scotland far more than hundreds of years of the Scots fighting the English and vice versa. Many Northern English towns also suffered under her regime. She had a windfall in the finding of North sea oil, but still she reduced Scotland and parts of northern England to a desert of unemployment. State Funeral??? I say toss the evil old biddy down a mineshaft.
It's one opinion , but not the one shared overall by the majority of balanced British people . In terms of the greater picture , she is a great figure of modern British government and statesmanship . History already recognises that . But this does not mean that we do not recognise where things went wrong and your anger is understood . And that is heartfelt --- not patronising waffle . Her strategy was faultless . Its execution was cruel . Tragically this type of situation always seems to occur during moments of huge Historical change . Without her ,Britain's position in the world would be around 37 th and not the 7th that it presently is , measured in GDP . Culturally we might have become a desert . But all imho .
Perhaps they can include the fact that the attack was justified: Belgrano was heading to the Falklands, secret papers reveal http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ng-to-the-Falklands-secret-papers-reveal.html
Thatcher had a problem with socialists, not Scots, and she removed the state subsidies from everywhere, not just Scotland. I wouldn't give her a state funeral either, but for different reasons to yours. You must hate the thought that the SNP helped put her in power when they supported a motion of 'no confidence' in the Labour government of James Callaghan.
