RNC Colorado 100% Crooked

Of course not.

Exactly.

 

I'm right there with you. It was always going to be a tight turn, but I was rooting for him, and frankly he may still pull it out. But there is no denying that Cruz is showing some real skill in areas where Trump appears to be blowing it.

I'm with you there, I don't even understand the caucus system.

Agreed.

 

The rules are in place beforehand and are not kept secret from anyone, so when one decides to participate, one agrees to play by the rules, however idiotic they may be.

Complaining about rules only after they have not worked to one's advantage is hardly creditable.

If Trump and Cruz are as unpopular as every poll that I have seen suggests, the nominative process clearly fails to produce the candidate most likely to be elected.

If producing the candidate most likely to be elected is the Party's goal, the Party needs to change its rules.

 

A political party is a hard thing to kill. My guess is that the vested interest in the GOP will take baby steps in policy to be representative of a larger segment of the American public while taking giant steps in rules to prevent the resurgence of trumpery.

 

Most definitely.

 

This election is the end for "Trumpery". One way or the other.

The only question for the GOP is do they resoundingly defeat Trumpism in Cleveland?

And then lose the election with Cruz (or someone else), while keeping the party relatively intact to fight another day.

Or, do they give Trump the nomination, go down to an historic defeat and hear "I told you so" from the party regulars when Trump goes down in flames.

It will be interesting to see if Trump tries again in 2020.

 

If it were merely about entertainment, Trump would walk off with the Emmy. If he could accumulate public support like he accumulates trophy wives, he'd be FDR.

However, there is also an element of actual, practical governance, and he has no record of that whatsoever, nor a coherent vision of what it might be.

Proposing a multi-billion dollar wall along the Mexican border at a time illegal immigration is down and only half of it is coming from the South is pure showmanship.

Trump Wall® is a marketing scheme as promising as Trump University®, Trump Steaks®, Trump Wine®, Trump Mortgage®, Trump® Catering, or Trump® Vodka.

Would you trust this man with your deficit?

It's not a game. The nation is not a Trump® Casino.

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August 2015 was LONG before Trump declared?

I'm very curious as to where you get your notions. You simply couldn't be more wrong. The rule was changed just last August, less than a year ago and AFTER Trump had declared.

 

The RNC does not tell Colorado how to choose delegates. It's all about Trump not being able to fight a fight on a level playing field. He's got to wail about something.

 

It was long enough for Cruz to read and familiarize himself with the rules. Trump is so disorganized that he sends his own daughters to tell the rest of us to register to vote while they themselves never registered.

How much time do you need to study the rules? Here's an excerpt that will demystify this whole topic:

"Here’s what actually happened. In August of last year, the leadership of the Republican Party of Colorado decided to change the way state’s delegates to the Republican nominating convention were selected. Rather than having a statewide presidential preference vote, they decided on a complex system of caucuses and conventions to elect delegates who would not necessarily have to commit themselves to a particular candidate.

At the time, the state GOP leadership made it plain that the move was to avoid sending Colorado delegates to the convention in Cleveland bound to vote for a candidate who -- like the majority of the original Republican field -- had dropped out of the race." Read the whole article at:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trump-claiming-cheated-colorado-193900458.html?ref=gs

It didn't have squat to do with the megalomaniac Donald Trump any more than it had to do with Rand Paul, Chris Christie or Marco Rubio (among others.)

Quityer(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing and make this a campaign about ideas and solutions for the future... Oh, that's right - Trump don't have any ideas for the future. He's hoping to rely on Marco Rubio.

 

You can believe that all day long, but there is still something rotten in Denmark when the people's vote counts for nothing. In the case of Colorado, the people didn't get to vote at all.

 

1237=the lowest Number to have the majority of delegates

 

Lack of rebuttal noted.

Yes I did and you did not cast a direct vote for any of them because you would be the first citizen to ever do so. And of course that vote would be unconstitutional on several grounds. By the good graces of your state legislature they allowed you to vote for a slate of Electors who then went to the electoral college and THEY cast their votes.

The STATES elect the president and there is NOT equal representation in the Electoral college for the many states and citizens of those states is there.

 

IF.................IF.................there is an election, held by the good graces of your state and local government then you have a right to vote in it and cannot be denied a right to vote in that election your state or local government decided to hold.

You have NO right to vote for the President and Vice-President. Your state legislature has the say so in how the electors will be chosen and that means if they want to chose them they can chose to do so and you have no constitutional recourse.

So try again

Where does the Constitution say you have a right to vote to select a political parties nominee or for the President and Vice-President?

You DO understand the political parties are PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS, the government has NO authority to dictate to them how they must select their delegates or their candidate. You have NO right to participate in that process unless of course you are a MEMBER of the party, not just registered a MEMBER. And even then the state committee and the body decides those rules, government has no role in it.

Try reading Article II, Sec. 1, Clause 3. Your state legislature decides how your state electors will be choosen.

And you are free to start your own party and select your nominees how you see fit.

 

That is asking to prove a negative, it is YOUR assertion YOU back it up or admit it is just utter conjecture on your part. Colorado changed to a state convention selection long ago and it had nothing to do with Trump. It was he job to go and convince the members of the party he should be their nominee, he didn't even try. And now the great organizer, the great leader, the great builder, the man who only hires the best, did get any delegates because of his own incompetence.

Then you have ground to stand on complain how THEY choose THEIR nominee because it is not YOUR nominee.

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So everything in our history is automatically the equal of Jim Crowe? How absurd.

 

Me>> Quote Originally Posted by Bluesguy View Post
Begging your pardon instead of getting snarky try addressing what I posted and the Constitution. And the lack of understanding how Presidents are elected is glaring. The STATES elect the President and Vice-President you have no right to cast a vote in the party selection process and never in the history of this country has a citizen ever cast a direct vote for either office. You only get to vote for the electors of your state because your state legislature ALLOWS you to do so, they could deny you that vote ans there would be nothing you could do about it except vote them out of office next election.

Who is the "they" in my response to you? How would voting "them" our of office change anything in my statement?

 

Agreed.

For example, the 67% of GOP voters in S. Carolina who voted against Trump--but, had their votes invalidated by Trump taking all 50 delegates with only 33% of the vote.

 

For a wall street Hillary fan, you are sure trying to spin crap, your scared silly of the Donald?, if Trump had one person running against him, from day one this race would have been over, under the circumstanced he did amazing percentages, wall street Hillary needs to release her wall street speech transcripts, Democrat are demanding it, and the base will not stop until she comes clean they want to know what she promised them, Bernie's talking contested convention. The base is not just going to submit to wall street special interest and be sold down the river.

NOTE Donald Trump leads Cruz by 18 points Nationwide, Kasich is almost tied with Cruz and will most likely pass Ly'in Ted, next week. WOW. from what I saw on the news today, protest are also being planned for Colorado and Indiana, voters are upset they where spit on by RNC, and the Cruz clan.

 

But that was the South Carolina rules. They could have chosen to apportion the delegates according to the percentage each candidate got as many states do, but their rule was that the candidate with the most votes got all the delegates. No hanky panky. Very straight forward. Cruz only got 22% of the vote and Kasich about 7.5% and everybody else much less. But at least the people got to vote.

Personally I think all states should apportion their delegates according to the percentage of the vote each candidate got, but it is up to each state.

 

So you don't want to deal with reality. Without the party picked delegates Sanders could very well beat her but they don't want that so haven't they rigged the election?

The fact is there has been no rigging against Trump and he lost any delegates in Colorado due to his own negligence and incompetence of his staff. He NEVER even went there. Cruz won them because he mounted a ground level grassroots effort, he had the organization and people in place to get that done. What did the great organizer, the man who only the best work for him and all these people who want to work for him do, fell on his face.

 

So what? The state GOP decided to hold a convention and GOP delegates would choose who the state GOP would support, you know that private organization the GOP.

 

you said millions of republicans did not vote, and I replied they did, even included numbers, are you on drugs or something?, your freaking weird, you post long reply's filled with nothing. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, is that how it goes?

 

Exactly. And each state is free to make their OWN rules for delegate selection.

That is the system the RNC has in place for 2016.

Obviously, my point was an illustration of how Trump (and his supporters) love the rules (like SC where Trump got 100% of the delegates with 33% of the vote) when they favor Trump.

Then, they cry when the rules (in another state) work against him.

The Rules are the Rules. No whining after the fact.

 

so what that millions of voters in Wyoming,Colorado and Indiana don't get a chance to vote for their republican nominee? really WOW, this is much more then about Trump at this point, it's not American. what do you tell all those veterans in Wyoming,Colorado and Indiana who fought for this Country does Bluesguy say, so what?, you should post back and say your sorry for that stupid remark.

 

Probably the same thing you would say to the 4.8 million people who voted for Romney in California in 2012.

Your votes don't count because we have this Electoral College thing you have to deal with.

And, those are the RULES.

Boo-freaking-hoo.