RNC Colorado 100% Crooked

"Used the Rules"??
So you're saying Ted's a lawyer? Sounds like rule by Oligarchy. We were supposed to be a representative democracy.

 

you better believe your not the only one, count me and my entire family in as well along with neighbors on both sides, and about 2 thirds of the development we live in.

Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer need to step down, a lot of us out here, have had enough of their Gestapo Tactics. it's not American, RNC is supposed to be for the people, not wall street special interest and big pharma. wall street has Hillary, we need to be on the right side of this.

 

We absolutely are not. The United States Constitution provides:

"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government..."

Article 4 Section 4

NOWHERE in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence do we find any promise of mob rule (aka democracy.)

And, yes, Ted Cruz is a lawyer. He's successfully argued cases before the United States Supreme Court. While the masses want to lose the election with Donald Chump, Cruz is the best hope considering that the next president will make appointments to the United States Supreme Court. Hillary will turn America into a socialist cesspool - as would the megalomaniac Donald Chump. The Justices on the SCOTUS will be making new laws well beyond the next couple of presidential administrations.

If Cruz can navigate the delegate process and beat the billionaire crybaby, imagine his value when it comes to putting qualified constitutionalists on the Supreme Court.

 

You really gonna degrade yourself to Trump's level with the "Lyin' Ted" bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?

Trump isn't welcome in Colorado, nice cough-ups with Kasich and Heidi Cruz. How about those donations Trump has made to the Clinton Foundation, huh?

 

Ly'in Ted is a liar, what else would you call someone like that? degrading one's self is being a Ted Cruz flunkie, slimmy rat can't get the people's vote, so he needs wall street to bribe the delegates over to him, what a freaking loser.

 

First Trump is a patriot. It's common in German American families. It was a response to the ostracism they suffered in the WWI, WWII era. I was married to a German American, I know. Kathy was always running out to run up the flag.
Also in order to evade the ostracism Donald's father Fred Trump went so far as to claim the family was Swedish and not German. It's a reasonable bet that's why the three times married 69 year old billionaire is running. His familial patriotism. Donald's skirt chasing days are behind him and he's not the time to spend enjoying his vast fortune.
Instead he puts in 12 hour days campaigning for America.
As to the younger poverty sticken candidates I'm not sure what their motivations are.
The way the Cruz people stabbed Ben Carson in the back, started posting pictures of Donalds current wife and started legally stealing delegates we Trumpistas worked hard to get elected I'm a bit worried about Cruz's character.
When Cruz was first asked by the reporter if he had ever cheated on Heidi he evaded the question.
Later when he got a puff ball question from Megan Kelly on it (certified Trump hater) it wasn't a convincing denial.
I couldn't tell if the lawyer was lying or sincer.
Then there is the comment by Sen. Graham about no senator would vote to convict if someone shot Teddy on the senate floor. That speaks volumns about Teddy's self absorbtion. My gut feeling is Teddy is the closest thing to a Latin American dictator we are going to get .
Miami, the Cuban capitol of Florida is the most corrupt city in the U.S. It got so bad during the Jeb Bush administration that he had to send down a special team of DOLE to clean house. I recall the mayor of Miami went to jail.
Then there was the way Teddy, who'se apparently not eligible for the presidency under the natural born citizen clause, tried to conflate "natural born citizen" with "citizen."
Under the scotus 1874 Happerset decision a natural born citizen is one both of whose parents were U.S. citizens at the birth of the child. Also the child has to be born in the U.S. Teddy fails the test on two counts.
The reason Obama seems to hate America probably has a lot to do with the fact that his father was never a U.S. citizen.
It's probable the reason Obama finally submitted a fake looking Hawaiian birth certificate was to distract attention from the fact that his father, like Teddy's father, wasn't a U.S. citizen. I think Obama was born in Hawaii and thus the birthers would be chasing their tails trying to prove Obama was born in Kenya will they didn't do the SCOTUS decision research to show both parents have to be citizens at the time of the child's birth.
And as to Trumps losing to Hillary, November is seven months away. Seven months is an eternity in politics.
You want to talk about Trumps "negatives"? That's because Trump is the most out spoken politically incorrect candidate running. The PC brain washed average American has not yet come out of the "demoralization" phase the hard left media, university and government systems have put us under. (on youtube see lectures by KGB defector
Yuri Bezmenov about Soviet PC propaganda techniques and the mass brain washing of Americans).
Trump is educating America on how to over come their fear of political correctness. When the process of a population coming out of the Demoralization phase starts it can progress very rapidly.
And if before November the rest of America doesn't achieve the wide awake state we Trumpistas have Trump will be the Goldwater to some future presidents Regan. We have only just begun to fight.
Finally we got two back to back Dem admins because that @#$&^% George W. went to war in Iraq for Israel. Ted Cruz is bought and paid for by the Israel first lobby. A president Cruz is libel to get us into another bloody quagmire for Israel. Want to know what that will do to the Repub party? Two wars for the Jewish World Order in a generation?

 

Oh that's smart and doing what is best for the country. And how exactly is Trump getting screwed? If he has the majority of delegates he will win if he doesn't someone else will win. Why would you vote D when THEY are the ones screwing with delegates locking out Sanders with all their super-delegate, the party bosses voting for Clinton?

 

When the two-party system, actually we have lots of other parties and always have had other parties and independents, was put in place and for the first almost 200 years of the country there were NO primaries in over half the states at least and those that did have them were mostly closed primaries where only declared voter registered members of the party got to vote. The members of the party selected the candidates to represent the party. If you wanted to vote for a party nominee you JOINED THE PARTY and participated in the process.

You do realize you don't get to vote for the President, you only get to vote for the Electors of your state and you ONLY get to do that if your state legislature allows you to do so.

The DNC and the RNC are PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS.............you DO understand that fact? Why should outsiders even have a voice in that matter? The primaries are for the benefit of the PARTY not the PEOPLE.

The problems we have seen these past few decades comes from the fact that the uniformed, clueless, non-participants are choosing the party nominees instead of those who ARE ingrained in the party and it's platforms and are selected on the basis of who will best serve those interest and have the best chance to win. Look at the DNC where a socialist who has NEVER been a Democrat is giving Clinton a run for her money and if elected will not be able to do ANYTHING he is promising all these uninformed clueless voters.

Get rid of these endless primaries, this endless campaigning, the HUGE money required all the "gotcha's" and name calling and fighting. Let the parties decide who THE PARTY will nominate and then have the short 3 month general election campaigning. Then as is done in this country the STATES will elect the President and Vice-President.

 

A good example of why we should get rid of the primary system and the state legislatures should select the electors, most of "the people" are clueless to our form of government and how it works and have never even read the constitution.

We are NOT supposed to be a representative democracy. We are guarantied a FEDERAL REPUBLIC. The ONLY way the states would accept the new government at our founding was to insure it would NOT be a Democracy of any kind.

 

Hey bro, if you say the words, "You do realize..." one more time, I think I am going to barf.

Things have changed since the Constitution and things have changed since the parties did not have primaries. They started having them because people were going to stop voting for their nominee if they didn't have a vote for the nomination. They were forced to have primaries, not legally or Constitutionally, but because people wouldn't vote for them if they didn't.

It boggles my mind why you can't understand this concept and continue to quote Constitution and party precedent. WE WON'T VOTE FOR THEM UNLESS THEY DO IT THE WAY WE WANT. Try to understand. Just try.

 

Why would someone else win when no one else will have even close to a majority? Trump needs a majority, but someone else will win without even coming close to that?

Oh, it's their rules, right? If that happens, I am voting straight D. It is good for the country that they recognize our ability to force them to change their rules to our liking.

 

It is unfortunate that you probably believe most of the political rhetoric you've spewed on this posting. The problem is, most of it isn't true.

I doubt that Cruz "attacked" Ben Carson. Some honest mistakes were made and Cruz owned up to them. As to the wives being used, BOTH sides engaged in it, so Donald Chump cannot claim any moral high ground.

That's irrelevant nonsense. Let's talk issues here. You know, for more than a decade I have commented on the political deception involved in the immigration debacle. The Trumpeteers who laud the Chump have had a never end field day at my expense, so let's review:

Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani have both endorsed the Chump and are active in his campaign. What did they say with regards to so - called "illegal" immigration?

"Being in this country without proper documentation is not a crime," Christie told more than 60 residents and town officials. "The whole phrase of 'illegal immigrant' connotes that the person, by just being here, is committing a crime."

Being undocumented may be a civil wrong, but it's not a criminal act, Christie said.

"Don't let people make you believe that that's a crime that the U.S. Attorney's Office should be doing something about," he added of entering the country illegally. "It is not."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/immigrants_and_their_advocates.html

"Being an illegal immigrant "is not a crime" and shouldn't be, Republican presidential contender Rudy Giuliani said yesterday, drawing quick fire from GOP opponent Mitt Romney."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/rudy-giuliani-illegal-immigrant-not-crime-article-1.244055

The Chump has said that he would let the immigrants back in after they've been deported. Those words along with the Chump's endorsements (not to mention that the Chump referred to leftists as "great leaders") have me asking serious questions.

The Chump denied knowing David Duke and only "disavowed" him after a couple of weeks wherein David Duke endorsed the Chump and all his followers were on board, winking and saying the Chump had to engage in plausible deniability. So, the Chump is playing politics while condemning his rivals for the same thing. Which Chump are YOU buying?

Donald Chump says that if you get the most votes, you should be the nominee. Yet Wisconsin has more voters than New York, but New York has more delegates. WTH??? The Chump gets 37 percent of the vote and is given 45 percent of the delegates. Yeah, it's all corrupt, but that's okay if the Chump wins.

You can believe any amount of horse manure you like. Me, I don't like none of the above. If given the chance I will vote for Cruz because of his proven voting record in the Senate and I will vote against the Chump because his entire life has been about financing left wing liberals. No constitutionalist and no real "conservative" will vote for the Chump. Republicans and Democrats would not work with him. A Chump presidency would be mired in the same mud slinging and name calling that is going on right now.

I know Cruz is not a billionaire, but he's one lawyer I never thought of as being poor. And, if Obama could be president, the precedent has been established (and the courts have agreed) so I'd rather have four years of some "poverty stricken" public servant than a chance of having a man who wants to be king of the Dis-united Socialist States of Amerika. The Chump wanted to be president, he should have a resume' that speaks to his stances and accomplishments. Like it or not, the Chump don't have that. Cruz does.

 

Well do you REALIZE it yet?

What utter nonsense, no people would not have stopped voting. But they are now aren't they, why? Because people don't REALIZE they have no right to dictate to a private organization who will be their nominee, they have no right to vote for anything towards that and in fact do NOT even have a right to vote for the Electors of their state let alone directly for the President and Vice-President. And now they have this fallacious nonsense in their heads because they slept through their civics class.
It boggles my mind why you can't understand this concept and continue to quote Constitution and party precedent. WE WON'T VOTE FOR THEM UNLESS THEY DO IT THE WAY WE WANT. Try to understand. Just try.[/QUOTE]

 

ANYONE needs a majority to win and close don't count for squat. If no one has a majority on the first vote then there will be a second vote, if no one gets it on the second vote there will be a third vote and on and on until someone gets a majority of the DELEGATE votes. The PEOPLE don't elect the nominees, the DELEGATES to the conventions elect them.

ROFL well whose rules are they supposed to be???? The rules they have been using for 150 years, whoever gets a majority wins the nomination.

Why should YOU dictate what rules a private organization is going to use? Join the party work your way up in it and get on the rules committee. And the DEMS are the ones who are REALLY stealing an election from Sanders, the DNC participated in a fundraiser for CLINTON this week. They stacked up all the super-delegates to deny the nomination to anyone else. And you are going to vote DEM? That makes no sense.

 

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The private organization needs our votes. Their little party can not win elections with its few blind loyalists. Hence, we do have a right to dictate how they do things. They don't have to listen, but we don't have to vote for them either.

Whether you like it or not.

 

It would make perfect sense if you knew anything about our government beyond a first year civics course.

 

Bluesguy is nothing more then a desperate Trump basher, they're down to grasping at straws at this point, first they attack him becasue of the delegates being bribed away by Ly'in Ted's wall streets backers, now they attack Trump because he has a team to deal with that.

 

And why would that give you a "right". Just amazing how clueless some are about our system here.

The Democrat Party and the Republican Partg are PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. Just like the Green Party, the Libertarian Party, the Socialist Party, the Communist Party and on and on..

Did you have a right to vote or dictate to them who will be their candidates?

 

Well first this isn't about our government it is about two political parties, actually all of them see above, and the system THEY CHOOSE to use to select THEIR nominees.

Second please explain where you think I go astray and be specific.

 

If he has a team that can effectively deal with it he will win. However he does need a political educate as much as some around here. When did the candidate with just the most delegates or electors, not the majority just a plurality, win a nomination and then the Electoral College?

 

I don't care what they do. They don't nominate banker owned shills who play deadly war games in the middle east while draining the U.S. of industry so they can all make a killing off of the oppression of foreign laborers and render the American populace completely dependent upon them.

Republicans and Democrats do that. In truth, the psychological warfare perpetrated by the parties through the media is far more potent than absurd primary rules for getting their shill nominated. But it is a beautiful thing when their media tactics fall short and they are forced to expose themselves in this way. It does open people's eyes. Not everyone's obviously. But enough that the GOP will feel it come November.

 

You are in a discussion about the perceived ethics of the rules of the GOP nominating process in which you refuse to acknowledge any standard of ethics outside of the rules of the nominating process itself. When some ethical standard is presented to you, you claim that external ethical standards only exist because so many people don't understand the rules of the primary, which fallaciously begs the question of whether an acceptable ethical standard is even established by those rules.