Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

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  1. Hollyhood

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    The Ukrainian Zealots and their God, Zelensky, have done a spectacular job convincing me and others to oppose Ukraine, and I'm certain leaders in the US and UK have noticed the hollowing support among the public. That's why they're desperately posting BS stories about Russia placing nuclear missiles in Belarus when in reality they are transferring modified Isklander missile systems and cruise missiles along with numerous drones. China and Iran are helping Russia stockpile drones behind the frontline in preparation for a massive offensive. Ukraine has claimed the Russians are "Stall" in Bakhmut, but it seems to have been a repositioning of Russian Regular Army forces into Bakhmut to replace Wagner Mercenaries that are being sent to multiple directions along the front. Meanwhile, there's growing doubt that the AFU can launch a counter-offensive even with the newly arrived weapons and ammo. These are just my recent concerns, but Ukrainian Zealots will absurdly frame it as Putin propaganda.
     
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    De Santis' policy on Ukraine must be exactly three words "No blank cheque". If anyone queries this he should refer to Reagan bleeding the Russians white in Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson's War etc.
     
  3. Pro_Line_FL

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    Are you still saying they were NOT you words?

    Bless your heart.
     
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  4. Jack Hays

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    Agile Ukraine, Lumbering Russia


    During more than 13 months of war against one of the world’s largest armies, Ukraine’s military has continually stood out for one quality in particular: its ability to adapt. Over and over, Ukraine has nimbly responded to changing battlefield dynamics and exploited emerging technologies to capitalize on Russia’s mistakes. Despite their limited experience with advanced weapons technology, Ukrainian soldiers quickly graduated from point-and-shoot Javelin and Stinger missile systems to the more sophisticated High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), which they have used to pummel Russian command centers, logistical assets, and ammunition depots. They have deployed military and commercial drones in increasingly creative ways. And although this is not the first war to play out on social media, the Ukrainians have been giving the world a master class in effective information operations in the digital age. Such is their record of technical and tactical versatility that Ukrainian forces continue to enjoy a sense of momentum, despite the fact that the frontlines have been largely frozen for months.

    By contrast, Russian forces have shown limited openness to new tactics or new technologies. Hobbled by bad leadership and terrible morale, the Russian military was slow to recover from its disastrous attempt to seize Kyiv in February 2022 and has struggled to adjust its strategy or learn from its mistakes. This is despite having demonstrated considerable dexterity in its deployments in eastern Ukraine in 2014 and in Syria starting in 2015. In the current war, although Russian military leaders have made some adjustments to alleviate logistical problems and improve coordination on the ground, the Kremlin’s core strategy continues to rely largely on throwing more manpower and firepower at the enemy—a lumbering, high-cost approach that has hardly inspired confidence. Observing this performance, some Western experts have raised the possibility of exceedingly dire scenarios, including a doomed Russian spring offensive, a large-scale mutiny of troops, or even the collapse of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime. . . . .
     
  5. mswan

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    No one is turning a blind eye to this conflict in eastern Europe but America's national interests are our first and greatest concern. Dramatically drawing down our military reserves and adding hundreds of billions of dollars to our already unsustainable national debt interfering in a war between two corrupt totalitarian regimes is beyond stupid.
     
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  6. Think for myself

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    I think lying about Ukraine being a corrupt regime is beyond stupid.
     
  7. Jack Hays

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    Ukraine is not a totalitarian regime. Indeed, the genuine support of the population is a major source of Ukraine's strength.
    Defense of Ukraine's freedom and independence is a vital national interest of the US. The rules-based democratic international order represented by Ukraine is foundational to our own prosperity and security.
    The money we have spent on Ukraine is a pittance in the context of our annual federal budget.
     
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    Beyond stupid to the point of treason.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    There are plenty of threads in which this is the topic. I invite you to join them.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    Your upset that I said I'm on the side of America?

    I realize you internationalists don't think much of America, or have much interest in it other than a source of cash, but it shouldn't surprise you that there are still Americans who think America comes first.
     
  11. Jack Hays

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    As the lawyers would say, that's a claim based on facts not in evidence. You're still batting .000.
     
  12. mswan

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    Ukraine is and has been for decades one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

    https://www.cato.org/commentary/whitewashing-ukraines-corruption
    Whitewashing Ukraine’s Corruption

    It is entirely appropriate to sympathize with Ukrainians who are experiencing terrible suffering as a result of Vladimir Putin’s decision to launch a war. Whatever the level of provocations from the United States and its NATO allies, and Ukraine’s willingness to collaborate in those provocations, Russia’s response was over‐the‐top. It created a dangerous breach of the peace in Europe and a humanitarian catastrophe. However, one can condemn Putin’s actions and even cheer on Ukraine’s military resistance without fostering a false image of Ukraine’s political system. The country is not a symbol of freedom and liberal democracy, and the war is not an existential struggle between democracy and authoritarianism. At best, Ukraine is a corrupt, quasi‐democratic entity with troubling repressive policies.

    Given that sobering reality, calls for Americans to “stand with Ukraine” are misplaced. Preserving Ukraine’s independence and territorial integrity most certainly are not worth the United States risking war with a nuclear‐armed Russia.







     
  13. Think for myself

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    Hey, an opinion piece by a neo-fascist right wing blog! That's pretty cool!
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Your claim was that no Biden involvement was found and that's simply false, or as you would say, based on facts not in evidence.
     
  15. mswan

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    Seeing that you can't or won't refute the post I will take your comment with the lack of respect it deserves.
     
  16. Think for myself

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    Oh no! Not that!
     
  17. mswan

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    Yep.
     
  18. Jack Hays

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    No longer true.
     
  19. Jack Hays

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    There's no Biden involvement shown in the link you provided.
     
  20. mswan

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    You're wrong.
     
  21. Jack Hays

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    Nope. The one indisputable achievement of the Muscovite invasion has been to create in Ukraine a heightened sense of national pride and duty to the country.
     
  22. mswan

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    Which says absolutely nothing about corruption of the government.
     
  23. Jack Hays

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    Yes, it does.
     
  24. mswan

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    No it doesn't. Corrupt regimes throughout history have been able to take advantage of "rally round the flag" surges of patriotism in times of war. They have still been corrupt as hell and Ukraine is as well.
     
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    Sorry, but your view is obsolete. The regime has not taken advantage; the people have rallied. A revolution has taken place.
     

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