Rtwingafraud, is the left wing also a fraud?

Keep stories straight? Last I checked the evidence supports nothing more than 19 hijackers took over planes and used 3 of them as missles at predertemined targets, and the fourth was thwarted by the passengers on board. What's changed?

Truthers believe that some massive government conspiracy where 4 planes took off, landed, the passengers were removed and executed then the planes were equipped with remote controls and flown into the twin towers and the pentagon and shot down over PA. Buildings were rigged with explosives/therm*te over the course of a weekend then "imploded" killing 3,000 fellow Americans.

Or is it that no planes were used and the Towers were turned to dust? Or was it mini nukes?

For what gain?

Ask a truther and they will tell you that it was to go to war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Really? So the governemnt set all this up and forgot to blame the right people? Sure, Bush and pals planned and executed 9/11 to go to war in these countries yet were dumb enough to blame it on 15 Saudis, an Egyptian, a couple Lebonese, and one from UAE. So we really want to control the oil over there? What have we done to show that? After conquering Iraq, we gave it back. In the end we will probably do the same thing with Afghanistan. The foolishness.

9/11 is not about political leanings, its about gullible people believing stupid (*)(*)(*)(*). All this we in the know crap, truthers know diddly squat, and have gone so far as to lie about "scientific findings." No, the official narrative has not changed in 12 years. It has expanded and addressed areas where the truthers felt it was lacking. That you cannot accept this is on you. But the issue of 9/11 is of no political value to either side of the aisle. It is a memory of a tragedy, where 3000 innocent people lost their lives.

 

"Last time you checked"? Did you actually 'check' the story? I submit that you haven't 'checked' it at all, and if you think you have, then perhaps you need to re-check what you THINK you know, because clearly, your conclusions are faulty. The only conclusion you may have correct, is that 3000 people lost their lives. The "official" BS story is highly flawed, and if you can't find any flaws in it, then you're simply not looking for them.

 

Heh a little political conversation in the 9/11 forum. As much as I can say I lean to the left, I don't think either party gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the American public. That stopped awhile ago. Neither party has it figured out, south park nailed it on the head. It's the choice between a giant (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and a turd sandwich

 

And in 12 years you have yet to prove any one of these flaws you claim. The abject failure is yours and yours alone.

 

'Prove to you', is what you mean. The proof is self explanatory, and only limited to the comprehension of the one looking for that proof.

 

Prove period. The fact that you do not comprehend this explains you limitations in understanding what constitutes evidence and what is theory. Which is why truthers like you and Kokomojo, 7 forever, and Scott are decimated, thread after thread. Pitiful.

 

I don't know. Why are the same players here, dedicated to thread after thread of defending such a clear and concise, easy to understand "official" story, year after year? The evidence is all over the place, for anyone who cares to look.

 

Evidence from real sources, not truther sites:

You can start here. http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

The same people are here year after year to correct truthers the same way teachers teach the same thing year after year, so you can learn.

 

Like in the letsroll forums, where you claim there is a fountain of free flowing truth?

 

".gov" huh? I thought you said "real" sources? What you meant was, government 'approved' and "official" information. I got it.

 

Then you shall remain among those who live by the creed that ignorance is bliss.

 

If all you have are "official" or "government" approved sources, then perhaps those who believe 9/11 was exactly as it was presented are content with ignorant bliss? God forbid anybody actually use their own brains to analyze anything for themselves. If all you have are "official" or "government" sources though, I understand. I just choose to reject them because I've found that they're usually faulty.

 

The left supports Bush's version of 9/11 because Obama has not challenged the official version and, I don't believe the 'right' is all that invested in government complicity anyway. I will end my post lest we start getting into definitions of 'left' and 'right' which are only opinions at best.

 

Best let it die,trutherism runs on both sides.....No one side is immune to the madness

 

Yet you argue on the side of government mandated and controlled healthcare.

 

One has nothing to do with the other.

 

So you find it perfectly fine that the same government you accuse of killing its own citizens, poisoning them with 'chemtrails' and all sorts of other vicious atrocities should be in charge of healthcare and personal medical records?

And then you blithely state 'one has nothing to do with the other' ... such blatant hypocrisy.

 

That's an irony that I've pointed out more than once. And he's not the only truther who thinks that way.

Although I realize I'm using "think" rather loosely. It just goes to showcase the swirling contradictions that must exist in the minds of conspiracy nuts in order to make all of their nonsense fall in line.

 

Healthcare has notihng to do with 9/11, no matter how you much you would like to cloud the issue.

 

The ACA is a completely separate issue, having nothing at all to do with what occurred on 9/11 (except in the minds of FOX watchers, perhaps).

Using your logic, let's do this. You argue on the side of government when it relates to 9/11, but are against them when they try to implement health care for all (like every other civilized country in the world). Two different topics.

 

So you trust the government with your personal records and healthcare.
Noted.

 

I trust no one entirely or completely. I thought you knew that. Often though, if undecided on some issue, I get the right wing view, to use as a tool to help better determine what the wrong side of said issue is, and it's usually pretty accurate.

 

I don't mean the ACA specifically, merely government controlled, "single payer" if you like, healthcare in general. If I thought the government was really behind 9/11, I wouldn't even post on forums that I thought that, for fear of being "disappeared" or some such. That's why you are so hard to take seriously. You think the government orchestrated a massive conspiracy to kill thousands of Americans in a plan that would require thousands of participants. Such a government would be so ruthless that they wouldn't think twice on taking out someone like you who is "getting to close" to the truth. Instead, I doubt you have a single sleepless night worrying about government agents breaking into your home at night and killing you. If anything, you worry that the very same ruthless government not giving you enough free stuff like healthcare. It's an amazing cognitive dissonance. I don't know if it's an actual mental disorder, but I for one find it highly amusing. Of course, if you are ever clinically diagnosed, I would feel bad about it for making fun of you all this time, so never tell me.

 

I don't think...I KNOW, Sir. Step outside the bubble and LOOK. It's not that difficult.

 

Awesome. You KNOW the government was behind 9/11, yet you still shill for them to be in charge of your healthcare.