Ruble down 30% -- Trump calls Putin very smart and savvy

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    Yeah, whatever
     
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    Nobody should put down their own country and leadership for another no matter what it's about. It has nothing to do with being smart or stupid. It has to do with loyalty, something Trump can't grasp because every two seconds he's raging about somebody being incompetent and constantly whining about being fired throwing his own VP under a bus.

    It's not shocking that concept escapes you given your <censoring myself>.
     
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    There is reason enough to recognise that the West has been underestimating Putin's "evil genius" .
    The character of such has been the subject of both religious text and cultural literature for thousands of years. ie genesis, and various characters in great English literature such as Paradise Lost.
    There has always been recognition that true evil is the clever perversion of the truth coupled with the ability to sell it. (Apply that to any political leader of your choice.)
    I don't know whether trump just recognises clever evil, or approves of it.
    What is true IMO is that the West has been fooled by Putin because it both believed him and needed to believe him. (Oil and gas).
    The West thought any person would appreciate our values instead of those practised by putin. We forgot that Putin wasn't representing OUR values to the Russians , now clear in the misinformation told to them about the righteousness of this war.
    The West must wise up. The real world is not a nice place.
     
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    The only children in the room are the people that want to bully and gaslight those of us that don't wear blinders about traitor Trump. I guess all these links are invisible to you.

    I'm including several because you people like to discredit a source as "fake news" to rationalize never being able to defend his abhorrent traitorous behavior. The whole reason he's mad at Zelensky is that he could not bully him and losers don't like it when winners tell them where to stick it.

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    It doesn't escape me at all- but something is obviously not visible to you.

    So long as you deny what you are doing poorly- poorly continues to be the standard. IF you want to grow personally, or as a nation, you must start where you are, recognize the strengths and weakness of your
    position and go about the process of improvement. You've heard the statement that insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results. Believe it. . It applies to everyone.

    That recognition does not have to be considered a "put down"- when it is an observation of fact. Neither is it wise to underestimate your opponents... So saying "We're great" and "They are stupid" is a good way to feed your ego- and get your plow cleaned because you lied to yourself. Nobody wants to be put down, but if you weren't a Trump hater you would also recognize the volumes of praise Trump has given to so many- from heroes like soldiers, to everyday people who have stood out, as well as those silent heroes, the unrecognized that work hard everyday and stand on their own two feet- and keep the economy running.

    If any political entity today is guilty of abusively "putting down" others, the title belongs to the left. They have put down all white people, all republicans, all Americans, and waged an unprecedented war on American self-respect and confidence.They see faults everywhere- except in themselves, where the greatest faults of all thrive. Trashing Trump is there icon move, yet it has little to do with reality. The devastating effects of the left's promotion of self-hate and character corruption are well on the way to destroying the nation- and that is the ultimate put-down. Get your mirror out and take a look.
     
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    What was that you wrote about recognising your own strengths and weaknesses? That saying "were great and you are stupid" is feeding your own ego?
    Physician, heal yourself.
     
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    Well, now that you got that off your chest are Trump supporters willing to grow up and face reality?
    Fact is Russia isn't as strong as they think they are, this was inevitable no matter who we elected, and Our president should not control gasoline prices.
    Putins war does have an effect on the market. And Bidens approach is the correct one.

    Biden beat Trump so any put down of the left speaks volumes on how failed Trump supporter policy is. Because Noone but his loyalist want Trump back.
     
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    Wow Russiagate was so long ago. ""Nobody should put down their own country and leadership for another no matter what it's about."" And yet Trump or no one else is to dare say anything about it... the hypocrisy is amazing. This country has lied to us so many times, I will start with that before I start looking past our border...I hate a liar as much as anything I can think of. Trump needs to go full throttle in removing the swamp creatures in 2024
     
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    Biden can't pour water out of a boot- and damn sure didn't "beat" Trump. Lots of reasons to know that, including that the level of overall American intelligence is not that stupid yet.
    So far- Biden's done nothing right. He's aiding and abetting illegal immigration- a federal crime, look it up- US Code 1324a. His exit from Afghanistan may well go into the Guiness book of records as the worst-botched military operation in history. There's not a single accomplishment that is respectable- and a long list of things even a dung-beetle would be ashamed of. THAT is the reality- and you don't dare look at it, do you?

    Only a fool underestimates their opponents- and while Putin is obviously smart- which is not the same as moral- Biden can't be underestimated.
     
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    This is just yet another "I love trump and hate Biden" declaration of devotion.
    Nothing to do with the OP. which is about a specific quote uttered by Trump with regard to Putin at a time when Putin was engaged in trying to annihilate an American partner.
    IMO a poor picture of someone who thinks he can spot "smarts" in someone else.
    What Trump was doing, IMO. may have been trying to justify his earlier assessment of Putin.
    Both contrary to the fundamental security of the United States of America and its global allies. guardians of the freedoms you do freely enjoy.
    Which IMO makes Trump a good candidate for accusations of treason.
     
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    Seems you missed the continuous blast of "I hate trump" that has been the official theme of the left for nearly 6 years now? Or is that not the same to you as someone saying "Let's go Brandon"?
    People who would back a person with Biden's record have zero grounds to complain about Trump. ZERO.

    You've been fed hate- by the dems, the libs, the progressives, the radicals, the BLM, the jealous, the incompetent and the media- all of whom think so little of you as to have no problem with deceiving and using you.
    You haven't realized that either.

    Nobody's perfect, and I certainly never saw Trump that way. But all leaders have flaws. If they are mostly cosmetic and that controls your vote against an otherwise good leader, you are a fool. If they are deep and fundamental, but the cosmetics and superficial things you like control your vote, you are a fool. If you vote for a loser to get rid of a competent person you dislike, you are a fool.

    I don't think Trump should run again- not because I doubt his capacity, but because I doubt the capacity of the haters to get their minds back on track and think in terms of good for the nation instead of punish Trump, because they are obsessed with hate. That would only extend the pitiful conditions they have created- and it would be their fault, not Trumps- but he effect would still be the same. Personally, I take serious offense at people who are unable to do better than that. It's childish to say the least. They are the spoilers, the forces that keep the nation divided and in peril. Endless complaints from them- but no solutions, and they can't even do as well as those they complain about. Hardly the material you build strong nations from.

    Now the question is- Will the left endorse anything except a fool who tells them what they want to hear? Would they actually think in terms of competence and the good of the nation as opposed to their own childish obsession? I don't think they can. They will hate the next president too, unless he's also a fool. They seem very fond of the fools.
     
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    Lets find out who the fake children in the room really are, shall we.
    I have provided the audio and the transcript of Trumps remarks.



    I said this is genius, Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent Ooooh, that’s wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So Putin is now saying its independent along with a large section of Ukraine. I said how smart is that? And he’s going to go in and be a piece keeper?
    That’s the strongest piece force, we could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest piece force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. Yeah, they are going to keep piece alright.


    So when you can provide the claim of Trump calling Putin a savvy genius, you let me know.
    Until then, this makes you the child in the room with your fake gaslighting, bully tactics along with your temper tantrum posting the same links 5 times in a row to the thread.
    Now we all know who you really are.
     
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    Treasonous Trump CAN spot "smarts" in someone else. He is extremely insecure so anybody that he bashes is smarter than him.

    That's why I say he's a horrible leader. Real leaders aren't threatened by dissenting opinions or even constructive criticism. We surround ourselves with people with different skills knowing it's important NOT to live in an echo chamber.

    We see this playing out right now in Russia. Clearly, Putin is living inside some kind of alternate reality in his head and didn't have anybody in his inner circle say "don't underestimate Zelensky" a mistake that's going down with him in history.
     
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    And the left is very free with the accusation of treason. I don't think they understand that disagreeing with them IS NOT treason. They're using slander as a political weapon these days; truth is irrelevant. That pretty well discredits everything they say.
     
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    Oh get real.
    Putin doesn't give two thumbs about you, your freedoms, your constitution, your self righteous exceptionalism.
    And Trump never gives this a thought.
    And PULLEESE stop this silly, simplistic, schoolboy left/right schoolboy game . It really is quite pathetic.
    You have a man in Russia who doesn't play your self destructive games. Instead he inflames them for his own ends and Trump was a willing patsy, happy to play Kings and Queens with far better, more ruthless chess players than he could ever be.
    There are times when disagreeing is treason. One is in a war and the disagreements become praise for the destroyer of your own values.
     
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    The first thing you should do to regain your balanced composure is to stop using the word "hate".
    The second thing you should do is look past your own borders. Europeans have had to because in 1945 they realised that reality doesn't stop at their own frontiers. That cooperation is far more productive than confrontation which erodes both sides.
    For your own mental health I suggest you stop accusing others of thinking as they do and spend time finding out why they do.
    If you are willing to consider it, you will find the roots called individual worth. a desire to contain state interference in private life and confining its powers to national protection and the investment of public funds to helping the unfortunate and to generally preventing corrupt use of money and power.
    And I am sure that those on your side of the aisle would agree to these objectives.
    What both sides do is they concentrate on using the trees as weapons instead of looking at the woods as a whole.
    And that is because people like you like to have an opposition and dont feel comfortable with agreement.
    Unfortunately they vote for trees instead of woods and never notice the fire around them.
     
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    Been drinking your kool-aid again. Need stop fooling yourself.
     
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    I know why they do- one of my best achievements in life has been the study of what motivates and controls people, how they think. I've taught it extensively. Clinical psychologists have come to my classes to learn it- and corporations too, such as Boeing, which sent over a hundred management people to my classes. People aren't hard to read- but most are buried under so much BS, they can't think effectively. They can't hear or see solutions unless they fit neatly into what they already believe, which is what keeps them where they are- stuck- but very sure they know it all even though they can't make life work. I've worked on a solution to the problems of honorable government for almost 15 years as part of a private think tank, and that solution, unlike anything ever suggested before, will be made public this summer. You seem to be light years behind the curve you think I should "consider".

    The largest obstacle we have had to find ways to overcome- is not the cause and cure of bad government, but the people whose thinking is contained in a box- a box that they occupy by choice and has no windows that can see anything except what they believe. And they do dismiss what does not fit, and they do indeed hate any effort to change what they think.There is nothing that can be done for them until they are ready- but in the meantime when there main objective seems to be punishing the rest of society because they are lost and miserable, they make the world a worse place to live. THEY create the opportunity for corruption and hate to thrive.... the very same people who squeak the loudest, but do the least. Extreme myopia- can't see beyond their own nose, even though they talk like they cared. Talk is all it is, they do nothing.

    Now you take that to bed with you and think on it, In the dark, alone, when nobody else will know- and ask yourself if you have ever done anything to actually make the world better except to blame others, to criticize and complain, to tell people what they should have done. That appears to be your primary "skill".
     
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    Fail.
    Just no..You dont. End of story.
    Try asking sometime when you care. We know you dont care though.
    What you know is more important, isnt it? (for the reader, not directed to the poster)
     
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    What happen Davies, your ran away.

    Lets find out who the fake children in the room really are, shall we.
    I have provided the audio and the transcript of Trumps remarks.



    I said this is genius, Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent Ooooh, that’s wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So Putin is now saying its independent along with a large section of Ukraine. I said how smart is that? And he’s going to go in and be a piece keeper?
    That’s the strongest piece force, we could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest piece force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. Yeah, they are going to keep piece alright.


    So when you can provide the claim of Trump calling Putin a savvy genius, you let me know.
    Until then, this makes you the child in the room with your fake gaslighting, bully tactics along with your temper tantrum posting the same links 5 times in a row to the thread.
    Now we all know who you really are.
     
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    He did? Lets check it out.
    I have provided the audio and the transcript of Trumps remarks.



    I said this is genius, Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent Ooooh, that’s wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    So Putin is now saying its independent along with a large section of Ukraine. I said how smart is that? And he’s going to go in and be a piece keeper?
    That’s the strongest piece force, we could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest piece force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. Yeah, they are going to keep piece alright.


    So when you can provide the claim of Trump calling Putin a savvy genius, you let us know.
     

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