Ruling in Arizona puts abortion at the center of 2024 elections

(Reuters) -Democrats wasted little time capitalizing on Tuesday's ruling from Arizona's high court upholding a 160-year-old abortion ban, organizing press conferences in swing states across the country and blaming former Republican President Donald Trump for eliminating a nationwide right to abortion.

The decision from the conservative Arizona Supreme Court sent a shockwave through the battleground state, which is poised to play a pivotal role in November's presidential election while also hosting one of the country's most high-profile Senate races.

Strategists in both parties said the ruling outlawing nearly all abortions would push moderate voters, even Republican-leaning ones, toward Democrats, while also mobilizing young voters and voters of color. President Joe Biden beat Trump in Arizona by a margin of less than 11,000 votes out of 3.3 million ballots cast in 2020.

I wouldn't be surprised of Trump was behind this.

 

I don't know what the deal is with Arizona and abortions. I don't think abortions should be made illegal but only lightly discouraged. I don't think there should be a call to ban abortions anywhere.

 

Abortion is a losing platform issue with Republicans. Just recently in a special election in AL, a woman ran and won on that issue.

 

Comprise it's really not hard, just ban it after 15 weeks or whatever, with exceptions. Or do like wacko world cali and NY and let them have abortions at full term effectively killing babies.

 

The GOP needs to keep going.
Their 2024 campaigns should focus on writing bills to outlawing all contraceptives , throwing those murdering doctors/staff in jail along with anyone who assists a woman in even trying to get an abortion.
Transporting a woman over state lines for an abortion and get charged with kidnapping a fetus.
Charge people who left fertilized egg child in a freezer with child abuse.
Be creative GOP'ers, time is running out, 2024 election will be here before ya know it.

'Trump, GOP scramble to contain abortion ‘earthquake’'
The one-two punch from Florida and Arizona left Republicans reeling across the electoral map.'

snip:

"And the problem for Republicans doesn’t stop at abortion, but extends to the possible curtailment of IVF. A constellation of right-leaning groups, from former Vice President Mike Pence’s Advancing American Freedom to the Heritage Foundation, have mounted efforts to restrict the widely popular procedure.

“Republicans,” said Christine Matthews, a Republican pollster, “are going to have to not be on the other side of IVF — I mean, we’re looking at an issue that is 90 percent supported by Americans.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/10/republicans-abortion-arizona-florida-00151630

 

Trump behind it? That wouldn't make sense. Now that he's in general election mode, Trump understands abortion is a losing issue for republicans. That's why he said we should leave it to the states and not pass a national ban/limit. What happened in Arizona hurts republicans. Enough to swing the election? Well, every little bit helps, especially in swing states.

 

Let's say you are 16 weeks pregnant and have a serious, potentially dangerous complication. What happens then?

 

That must mean that abortion is still legal in Alabama. I hope there will be other states that follow suit.

We don't really know how Donald Trump feels about abortion. But no one really knows what Donald Trump thinks.

 

That's easy, Trump is a textbook narcissist. His image ought to be in the dictionary next to the word narcissist. I don't think it matters to Donald Trump how Donald Trump feels about abortion. Everything Trump does is for the purpose of getting status and admiration. He's a republican because those are the voters who he can court with demagoguery. He's against a national ban because he thinks being against a national ban helps him in the general election. He's against really strict abortion laws being passed before the election because he feels it hurts his chances in the election. But he's basically against abortion at the same time because he has to be to win republican votes.

 

Trump neutered this talking point with his most recent statement on abortion.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Alabama

It is very limited.

 

There will be a lot of women that can and will protest against banning abortions in Arizona and other places elsewhere.

The 1860s were probably a tough for the women in Arizona territory and it could happen in 2025. I just it doesn't have to happen. Turning the clock back in this era would be wrong wouldn't it? I know it and so should you all. If all abortions are banned, then more woman's rights will be taken away and that isn't right at all.

 

There will be many women out there protesting banning abortion in all places.

[QUOTE]The law predating Arizona's statehood provides no exceptions for rape or incest and allows abortions only if the mother's life is in jeopardy. Arizona's highest court suggested doctors can be prosecuted under the 1864 law, though the opinion written by the court's majority didn't explicitly say that.[/QUOTE]
I just don't know how things are going to turn out in all this. Those that want to ban abortion, are out to take away women's right and abortions will be illegal even in cases in incest and rape. How a child when he/she grows up finds that the father was a crazy rapist or to find out his/her parents are actually brother and sister. HOw would any figure this out? Having parents come from two different cultures can be one thing, and your parents being grandfather and mother can mean something else. You can have parents where one from a high-class rich family and a rural type of poor family, you could have parents where one came from Jamaica and one from India, and you could have parents having one from the west and one from the east. This all makes sense, doesn't it?
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'Here are some other laws Arizona had on the books in 1864'
Story by Philip Bump
• 1d • 5 min read

snip:

'Arizona sprang into existence in February 1863, just under halfway through the Civil War. President Abraham Lincoln, having signed the act that created the new territory, appointed judges to administer it. Among them was a native New Yorker, William T. Howell.

The appointed governor, John Goodwin, soon determined that the laws established at the territory’s founding (imported from New Mexico) didn’t work. He tasked Howell with writing Arizona’s first set of laws and procedures, a job Howell began with the help of a former Wisconsin governor, Coles Bashford. In late 1864, the Howell Code, Arizona’s first set of laws, was born.'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ar-BB1loIUu

 

The birthrate of white children was down, people were leaving farms and moving to cities.

'William Howell wrote Arizona’s 1864 abortion ban. He modeled it on California’s'

Judge William Howell, a New Yorker, wrote the code that would enshrine Arizona as a territory, based on the law books of a neighboring state: California.

(Arizona Historical Foundation)


snip:

'Howell earned a total of $7,500 for his work on the job, and the honorific of Arizona’s founding document being named “the Howell Code,” according to Wagoner’s book.

“Part of the reason that I think that that becomes a part of the law in the West is to make sure that white women are not having abortions,” Sturgeon said. “I don’t think they care very much if Mexicans and Native Americans had abortions, but they were very concerned.”

The birth rate had been in decline since the beginning of the 19th century, Sturgeon said, as industrialization moved people off farms and into cities, lessening the need for as many children to support their families.'


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https://www.latimes.com/politics/st...n Tuesday, 160 years,mother's life is at risk.

 

Hence with exceptions???

 

trump caused this
He was the useful idiot planted by the federalist society and nominated all the justices that lied about it being a settled issue.

I hope the people of this nation swiftly destroy him later this year and then we can watch him slowly bled to death through court cases

 

Oxymoron: "common sense" Kari Lake.

'Kari Lake and her fellow Republicans can't run from Arizona's draconian abortion ban.'

snips:

"Pretending to be moderate is a lot harder when Democrats can just roll tape showcasing Christian right radicalism.

The symbolism of that, plus the electoral implications going into a presidential election, means this news is explosive even beyond the high levels of outrage that meet every Republican ban on abortion since Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022.

Anger from the majority of voters over the loss of abortion rights isn't dissipating like Republicans thought it would, and now GOP politicians in the Grand Canyon State are scrambling. The most prominent of these, of course, is election denier Kari Lake, who, while still refusing to admit she lost the race for governor in 2022, is running for Senate. She wants everyone to think she's unhappy that Arizona women's medical care will be determined by a law written while many doctors were still rejecting germ theory. Claiming to "oppose today's ruling," Lake called on the actual governor, Democrat Katie Hobbes and "the State Legislature to come up with an immediate common sense solution."

 

This moves Arizona into the D column in the general election.

Thank you fascist right wing judge !

 

LOL, cute pipe dream.

 

How so?

 

Dems need to send people out to his events with signs pointing out his support for baby killing. Maybe even run ads in GA and AZ….

 

Best way to reduce abortion? Make LARCs cheap and easily obtained

 

Yes. So please answer the question. What happens next? I can repeat the question if you want.

 

I agree, the GOP needs to stop this idiotic nonsense. Now a ban after two trimesters would be fine. But bans in cases of rape or incest or medical necessity is idiotic.