Ruling in Arizona puts abortion at the center of 2024 elections

I can agree with that.

 

She won't be the last.

 

Vasectomies are reversible. Every sensible young man should consider having one. Why must contraception always be the woman's burden?

 

Points for at least proposing something that isn't entirely ridiculous, but I'm against any form of government involvement in a woman's medical condition or the choices she makes for herself and her life.

 

so partial birth abortion (yeah I know its extremely rare) is ok?

 

I was right there with you until that. Government should stay the eff out of our personal medical issues, in accordance with our rights under Section 1 of the 4th Amendment. The "law" can effing bite me.

 

See above. Please tell me why you think the government has any right to even know that a woman is pregnant.

 

He**** has asked GOP Arizona to tone it down. He**** knows this is costing him****. But, he**** is a very religious man, lives by the Bible and all that. No-one can call him**** politically expedient or willing to trade his**** strongly held beliefs for the mere mortal trappings of the White House, no Sirree!!!

*Rapist
*Swindler
*Bordering on pathological
*Made the New York skyline

 

That isn't a thought, it's a belief. There is zero scientific evidence to back it up.

 

Arizona is just one domino in the line. Other states are doing similar idiotic things, like six week bans, and encouraging people to rat each other out. Each domino, starting with that vote in Kansas, of all red states, to add abortion access to their state constitution, are all lining up, and they are not falling Trump's way. The remnants of what was once the GOP are all scrambling to get out from under this issue, but women are not fooled, voters are not fooled.

Anti-choice is a minority view.

 

It makes sense that the medical staff define terms of viability. as a defining point. Now...for those with certain beliefs , fine. no one is forcing anything on them......so they can live according to their beliefs . But it is critical to note that their beliefs do NOT apply to everyone. Once again, it is a PERSONAL decision between the patient and her medical advisor. It is also critical to note that no one has the right to impose their beliefs on others. The idea of freedom of belief and non belief is an individual factor. and choice. It is perplexing that MEN are the ones in influential positions and making these decisions............when it does not apply to them........directly. Their role should be a supportive role.
Trump and his appointees have opened a can of worms and those wrorms are crawling all over not knowing what the basic ground rules are anymore. He should never have touched what was working. It truly is shameful.

 

I don't believe that's true. An amoeba is considered "life" as is bacteria and many other single celled organisms. You don't think that a multi-celled organism, with human DNA, would be considered "life"?

 

No it's the last domino in the line on a state issue. You can take a grievance to the supreme Court. I get this is kind of dirty because you have to be forced to have a kid and for the first four years or more of their life demand recompense for your inability to kill them before they were born but the fact that is so ****ed up proves how wing this is.

Yeah I didn't agree with state encouraging people to rat out others. That's very Soviet Union like. But it was ruled a state issue you have to appeal. That has nothing to do with the election

The remnants of the old GOP pre Trump are the idiots forcing this issue.

and people should understand that's controlled by state legislature not federal.

 

I agree. In terms of the law.....the law has to fit what medicine defines . OR as you say stay the heck out of it . Medical staff and pateients shold not be coerced by laws that have been defined by religious ideology. Religion has its palce, the law does too, as does medicine. This is a medical issues.

 

Valid point. thx.

 

I don't see why it's a religious thing. Nobody is saying that the Bible says thou shall not have an abortion and if they did you could say no it doesn't.

People use religion to justify their beliefs but they do that in anything so in order to remove all religion from lawmaking you have to say religious people cannot vote and that violates the Constitution particularly the First amendment.

It doesn't matter because state of legislatures are elected and you might have a couple years where someone holds a position but if the people feel a certain way about it that state representative or legislative member will be voted out. If not voted out enough people opposing them will be voted into render their opinion useless.

We still have democracy functioning here

 

That practice was banned federally in 2003, and the SCOTUS upheld that ban in 2007.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1857800/

 

Seriously? You're comparing us to amoeba? That's a bad analogy.

The slime in the corner of the gas station restroom contains life, too. DNA and all.

 

Not an election issue? It is THE election issue. Republicans have engineered their own downfall, imo. It has always been Republicans pushing against choice. MAGA Republicans have been even more determined, and celebrated when Roe was overturned. We see that, and we will vote accordingly.

The Democrats have finally woken up to the fact that they can run on this, and they're already calling these draconian and often ridiculous state measures "Trump's abortion bans." Crass, maybe, but effective, and the Republicans aren't helping any by flip-flopping like fish dying on the shore.

 

Thing is - look at Canada - no legislation restricting abortion at all. None zero! What are their stats like? Well like everyone else’s - the vast majority (like 98- 99%) of abortions are previability. The 1% post? Foetal abnormality usually incompatible with life
https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/position-papers/22-Late-term-Abortions.pdf
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-can...-strengthens-access-to-abortion-services.html

 

I don't think it is. Actually a lot of Christians have a problem with Donald Trump because of his stance on abortion so there's that. Also I think most people understand that it's a state issue.

yeah neocons like the George Bush and Lindsey Graham types they're a shadow of their self anyway Barack Obama nuked them from orbit.

who cares you're not Republican you wouldn't vote Republican anyway?

this will only fool the people who are ideologically captured by the Democrats anyway it's not going to translate to more voters.

Trump supporters know you're full of **** regarding Trump's position. It's like saying he's literally Hitler it's just wrong. And the only people that believe that crap are the people that like have never voted for in the first place through the vote blue no matter who types.


They can't vote extra hard for Biden they only get one each. And it really depends on what states they're in.

It's still a state level issue the federal election will have **** all to do with it. I think everybody that's not in the vote blue no matter who crowd knows better.

It's a state issue you need to vote in state representatives and State legislature to change the rules I'm betting they don't.

 

He's just repeating the latest GOP talking points - deflect the blame from Trump. Its hard to tell if they actually believe what they are saying or not. I've long since stopped trying to work out if people who say obviously dumb things really believe them and just assume they do.

Hold on for MUCH more of this. All but the most fanatical/stupid GOP supporters understand that abortion is a losing issue in most places, but that the party is now owned by people who want these bans....or even more. They will deny, dodge, weave and deflect for all they are worth and when their party pays the price on election day they will refuse to accept the reason and scream 'FRAUD'. Bet on it.

 

Did he say he opposes a state level ban on abortion? Because I thought he said he opposes a federal ban. Perhaps he doesn’t endorse a state ban, but he made it possible and voters on both sides will remember that.

 

I understand the the fight for hype because this is a battle ground state. But focusing on "1864" is a bit much. This law was in effect until 1973 when Roe vs Wade was decided. And came back into effect when Roe vs Wade was reversed. Arizona's legislature can decide to change or not. The ruling by Arizona's court was logical and rightful...the court is not in place to change legislation.

 

Trump's now braying "States' Rights!" - as advocates of slavery had done - is a loser.

His Supreme Court is trashing personal liberty, and authoritarian zealots in the GOP were not careful in what they had wished for.

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