Russia’s only aircraft carrier damaged as its floating dry dock sinks

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  1. Thedimon

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    I can imagine Alaskans going to election polls in droves to vote to join Russia!
    Destroyer probably ate some funky mushrooms and now he is tripping.
     
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    In Soviet Russia...Mushrooms eat you!
     
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    GPD Russia per capita $10,743
    GPD Alaska per capita $63,971
    I'm betting most Russians would love to be taken over by Alaska.
     
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    Exactly how many transport ships LAUNCH AND RECOVER fighter aircraft?
     
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    Looking at your avatar is easy to write your psychological portrait. But unfortunately the moderators will consider it an insult. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    But since you are a specialist in women with a mustache, now I know your real name. Your name is Conchita. And you spoke at Eurovision. I'm right?
     
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    Only in the Chernobyl region.
     
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    Read the real text of the treaty, but not stupid articles in the Western media and Wikipedia.
    The contract says: "... to cede to the United States ..." The expression "to cede" means - a transfer of physical control, which means that the States did not take possession of Alaska, but only physical management. Moreover, the contract did not specify the date for transferring the territory to physical management. So, Russia can take Alaska at any moment. When the term of the contract is not indicated, the document is recognized as valid until the moment the owner claims the return of the right to physical management.

    In addition, Alaskans want to be part of Russia. They repeatedly wrote demands about it.
    For example.
    «Alaska back to Russia.

    Groups Siberian russians crossed the Isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.

    Russian began to settle on the Arctic coast, Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian Archipelago.

    First visited Alaska August 21, 1732, members of the team boat «St. Gabriel» under the surveyor Gvozdev and assistant navigator I. Fedorov during the expedition Shestakov and DI Pavlutski 1729-1735 years.

    Vote for secession of Alaska from the United States and joining Russia».

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    It is Ukraine.
     
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    This is probably the funniest post of the week.

    Alaska doesn't belong to the US & Alaskans are going to vote to join Russia. That is genuine laugh out loud funny.
     
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    Very funny. :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    You need to increase your intelligence (unless of course this is possible in principle). I'll show you what is what. Memorize and do not write nonsense.

    So. Data on the gross domestic product (GDP) of any country is largely an illusion. In order to see the real situation, we need to look at at least two things: GDP at PPP - purchasing power parity, and the structure of GDP itself.
    PPP provides an opportunity to estimate the real volume of the economy without reference to the dollar rate, as well as the real standard of living in the country. A knowledge of the structure of the gross domestic product of the country allows you to select the volume of the real sector, actual product in various industries: mining and processing.
    There are more complex translation techniques that include more parameters that we do not consider here.
    So, let's compare the GDP of Russia, the USA and China and draw some unexpected conclusions.
    Gross domestic product at purchasing power parity in billions of dollars (IMF data for 2016)

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    GDP structure

    USA. Industrial production - 15%, agriculture and
    fishing - 1%, construction - 3%. Total real sector - 19%.
    The rest is trade and all sorts of services: from manicure to transport and
    financial.
    China. Industrial production - 40%, agriculture -
    10%, construction - 7%. The share of the real sector is 57%.
    It turns out that the size of the real sector of China's economy is larger.
    American almost three times.
    Russia. Industrial production - 30.5%, agricultural and fishing - 4.2%, construction - 7.4%. Total - 42.1%

    So, we will count. US GDP is more than Russian 4.8 times, and the proportion
    real production in Russia's GDP is 2.2 times greater than in US GDP.
    This means that the real industrial production in the USA is greater than Russia.
    4.8 / 2.2 = 2.18 times. And if you consider the shadow sector, which in Russia
    significantly larger than in the US, the gap will become even less noticeable.

    A similar calculation for China shows that the volume of the product produced there is higher than in Russia by 7.44 times.

    In terms of per capita, we come to interesting and unexpected conclusions.

    Country population for 2017

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    The US population is 2.2 times bigger than the population of Russia, and the population of China is 9.38 times. This means that the volume of real industrial production in Russia and the United States per capita is about the same.

    The statement about much more efficient production in the USA turns out to be a myth.

    Similarly, in per capita terms, Russians produce an industrial product 1.26 times more than in China.

    Once again, learn by heart and no longer write nonsense.
     
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    Reality often looks funny. For example, some argue that the American economy is the first economy in the world. Isn't that a funny statement?
     
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    I do not know. But they transport them.
     
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    Fantasy usually looks funnier.
     
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    I agree. For example, the fantasy about the "invincible US Army." Very funny.
     
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    The Holocaust was not a military war.
    The victims were innocent civilians who were murdered by industrial means. The killers used a whole administrative complex, infrastructure like trains and thousands of workers to exterminate the Jewish population of Europe. This approach makes this crime unique, not the number of victims.
     
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    Not during this time.
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    ArmySoldier said:
    In Soviet Russia...Mushrooms eat you!"

    Which I was relying to...and which also led to the disaster I was making fun of.
     
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    This isn't compelling.....these aren't vatniks, lol, just some so called protestors during Obamas presidency waving some silly signs:)).
    Alaska has 0% chance of even considering returning to Muscovites.

    Btw....if there ever was a conventional land war...with Nato....Muscovites would 100% lose territory:)).....konigsberg would be german again.....kurils back to Japan, Siberia to China, Crimea back to turkey....Karelia back to Finland...etc....
     
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    "Fires, oil spills, and landing deck accidents—including a snapped arresting wire that caused a landing Sukhoi Su-33 fighter to roll off the end of the deck and into the ocean—have only enhanced the Kuznetsov's reputation as a bad-luck ship. The Kuznetsov's fortunes clearly followed it into the shipyard. Replacement of the failing components of the ship's propulsion system and other critical systems—including the ship's plumbing, which lacks weatherproofing and is shut down in cold weather to prevent freezing—was already anticipated to take up most of the $400 million budgeted for the Kuznetsov's modernization after the Russian Navy's original upgrade budget was halved by the Defense Ministry, according to Interfax."
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...rrier-damaged-as-its-floating-dry-dock-sinks/

    I'm thinking the Russians should let it sink.
     
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    First of all, Russia has no need for any aircraft carriers and if anyone truly believes that, they're mistaken. Russia is a continental power while the USA is a naval power. The USA will probably never face an invasion while it’s a regular thing in the recent Russian history. The USA was a major naval superpower in the 1920’s, way before the draft during the WWII made it a complete military power.
    Different situation = different stance.

    The rationale of the United States Navy is projection of forces. That’s why the USN have so many aircraft carriers and LHA ( helicopter-carrying amphibious assault ships). The USN is built around the mere idea of protecting the carriers and projection forces whereas the Russian Navy has a defensive stance. It is built to destroy projection forces with its massive submarine force. Retaliation with submarine launched ballistic missiles is also one of the main mission of the Russian Navy. The defensive stance of Russia probably explain why their anti aircraft missiles are so good compared to western missiles.

    Russia is a regional power in eastern Europe and central Asia. Aircraft carriers are almost irrelevant in this area of the world.
     
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    Since when does defense mean taking land from neighbors?

    And Russia cannot afford a navy even if it had a place to put it....hell they cant even afford to fix the one carrier they have.
     
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    Is it really? The British exterminated every single Tasmanian. Industrial way. - there is no holocaust. The Japanese exterminated tens of millions of Chinese - there is no holocaust. The Japanese killed the peaceful Chinese in an industrial way in a much larger and much more brutal way, but there is no holocaust. Tens of millions of Russian civilians were killed - there is no holocaust.
    As a percentage of the number of nationalities, Gypsies were killed several times more than Jews. But! - There is no holocaust.
    Several Jews are killed - the screech about the Holocaust does not stop.
    By the way, the Jews themselves killed people in concentration camps. They collaborated with the fascists.

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    There was Soviet Russia, there was also Soviet Ukraine, as well as 12 other Soviet republics .. All these Soviet republics formed the USSR. Therefore, Chernobyl is Ukraine. Or if you are so pleased with the Soviet Ukraine.
     
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    Who is your doctor? :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    If grandma had a dick, she would have been a grandfather.

    Kaliningrad, the Kuriles and the whole territory of Russia will remain Russia. After the new war, Constantinople will also become part of Russia, Alaska, northern California and New York will also become part of Russia. Naturally, the territories of Ukraine and the rest of the former republics of the USSR will also become part of Russia. It is obvious for all who have a brain.
     

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