Russia, friend or foe?

There will be criminal prosecutions. There may even be convictions - especially in DC. The DOJ prosecuted and convicted Arthur Anderson and ran them out of business. That is how witch hunts roll - the find people to burn at the stake.

Will this weaken Trump's support? Not likely.

 

That doubt is coming from Trump supporters. Of course, everything written about Trump is "fake news." A consequence of Trump's victory in Nov. is that only 14% of Republicans trust the news media. I don't believe that for a minute, but that is what Republicans say. How in the he!! do they get their news? Through osmosis?

The Democrats you mentioned were concerned about the state polls in the election that happened nine months ago. The national polls taken in the last week were quite accurate. The Dems' second mistake was paying more attention to the popular vote than the Electoral College vote. In any case, I am not concerned about an event that happened nine months ago.

 

Then why your 9 months of whining about the Russians and the 2016 election?

 

Again, you are referring to only one kind of leak, the type of leak resulting from the "communications of [a] foreign government." When I discuss White House leaks I am talking about all leaks, not just those concerning communication devices. For example the leak from Trump's inner circle that occurred aboard Air Force One. Consequently, we are not on the same page.

This is my thread. You must get on my page.

"reports them to the public" Is Greenwald referring to reporters? If so, he should make that more clear. Perhaps he didn't because the prosecution of reporters can be on shaky ground depending on the subject matter. Such prosecution would be on a case by case basis, and Greenwald really can't make a blanket statement about reporters on this matter.

 

“TUCSON -
Two protesters were arrested at Sen. Jeff Flake’s Tucson office Thursday morning.
According to a media release distributed Wednesday by the Tucson Chapter of Progressive Democrats of America, dozens of people planned a sit-in at the Senator’s office to demand that he vote “No” on the Better Care Reconciliation Act.
The release stated, “Protesters to Risk Arrest in Sen. Jeff Flake’s Office to Save Health Care for Millions of Americans.”
According to Jason Samuels, Sen. Flake’s Communications Director, one protester was arrested for making the following statement:
Protester: You know how liberals are going to solve the Republican problem?
Staffer: No.
Protester: They are going to get better aim. That last guy tried, but he needed better aim. We will get better aim.”
KVOA, Protester arrested at Sen. Flake's Tucson office, By Sarah Sanchez, Jul 06, 2017.
http://www.kvoa.com/story/35826190/protester-arrested-at-sen-flakes-tucson-office

 

Nothing will weaken Trump's base. They don't care. This thread started with information that indicated that his supporters were sympathetic to Russia. Review the OP to see what I mean.

But that is not the point. His base is only interested in the destruction of the corrupt ruling bipartisan political class.

Nothing else matters.

 

Nonsense. Nut jobs are not a part of this discussion.

I'm sure you are joking.

 

Well, NYT readers certainly had "doubts" about the polls - after the election, but they are all notorious "Trump supporters" - right..

“After projecting a relatively easy victory for Hillary Clinton with all the certainty of a calculus solution, news outlets like The New York Times, The Huffington Post and the major networks scrambled to provide candid answers.

With a new administration about to take shape in Washington, news executives tried to take stock of their mistakes and fix them on the fly, lest the fast-moving story leave them behind again.”
THE NEW YORK TIMES, News Outlets Wonder Where the Predictions Went Wrong, Jim Rutenberg, MEDIATOR NOV. 9, 2016.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/...er-where-the-predictions-went-wrong.html?_r=0

 

The reporters all published communications intelligence - slam dunk - as Greenwald pointed out. Don't you like Greenwald anymore?

 

Can't have a witch hunt without nut jobs. And lots of Hate Rallies.

“He often punctuated speeches with phrases like "Dogs of the Fascist bourgeoisie," "mad dogs of Trotskyism," "dregs of society," "decayed people," "terrorist thugs and degenerates," and "accursed vermin."[26] This dehumanization aided in what historian Arkady Vaksberg calls "a hitherto unknown type of trial where there was not the slightest need for evidence: what evidence did you need when you were dealing with 'stinking carrion' and 'mad dogs'?"[27]”
Andrey Vyshinsky, State Prosecutor, Josef Stalin’s Moscow Trials.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vyshinsky#cite_note-28

 

Nonsense. Anyone who colluded with Russia to rig our election is a traitor and should be executed.

So far the only evidence of Russia collusion involves Democrats - including The Clintons.

“A secretive Washington firm that commissioned the dubious intelligence dossier on Donald Trump is stonewalling congressional investigators trying to learn more about its connections to the Democratic Party. The Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month threatened to subpoena the firm, Fusion GPS, after it refused to answer questions and provide records to the panel identifying who financed the error-ridden dossier, which was circulated during the election and has sparked much of the Russia scandal now engulfing the White House.”
NYP, Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators, By Paul Sperry, June 24, 2017.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

 

Probably to cover up and distract attention from things like Wasserman Schultz and this:

“A secretive Washington firm that commissioned the dubious intelligence dossier on Donald Trump is stonewalling congressional investigators trying to learn more about its connections to the Democratic Party. The Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this month threatened to subpoena the firm, Fusion GPS, after it refused to answer questions and provide records to the panel identifying who financed the error-ridden dossier, which was circulated during the election and has sparked much of the Russia scandal now engulfing the White House.”
NYP, Sketchy firm behind Trump dossier is stalling investigators, By Paul Sperry, June 24, 2017.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/

 

Of course they are inciting to commit political murder, just as the Republicans were doing before Gifford was shot...and they've already been partially successful, with the golf club attack which seriously injured a Republican leader.

Wake up.

 

http://nypost.com/2017/08/09/debbie-wasserman-schultz-is-a-threat-to-national-security/

 

Since when has rigging an election been considered "treason"? I don't think the U.S. Constitution mentions that in its definition of "treason".

 

Laws are for the "little people" - not for giants like Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Ty for the good source.

 

"Colluding with Russia" or any other foreign power to rig an election would. IMO, be treason.
If that happened the evidence has already been collected by NSA and its partners.

 

"IMO" that is "In My Opinion".

Probably not only you but many other reasonable people believe the same.

But that doesn't change the fact that the U.S. Constitution in its text specifically defines what treason is.

Given not even the couple who gave U.S. atomic bomb secrets to the Soviets were charged with treason, I doubt helping rig an election would qualify.

 

A jury would almost certainly convict on clear evidence of collusion with a foreign power to take over the USG. A trial judge might follow the narrow language of the COTUS.

 

And any judge with integrity would throw out such a conviction instantly.

 

IOW, many judges would convict such a defendant.

 

There is hardly any serious intention to exercise the military option in Iran, as it is extremely dangerous and expensive. In addition, the Iranian regime is not seen to support terrorism - unlike Saudi Arabia, a reliable American partner. Iran's nuclear program is localized, so the threat is minimal. Approximately the same is true for North Korea. The current rhetoric goes beyond the usual, but it is not clear that any side is willing to risk the current benefits.
In this regard, it is unclear what is the danger of the Syrian regime. There are no nuclear weapons, Assad himself is fighting with the Islamic State and Israel conflict have been exhausted long ago. That's just interesting assumption Concord that the Shiite Assad strengthens the Shiite regime in Iran, and therefore, there is a plan to eliminate it. I also have the assumption that Assad wanted to be eliminated because he is a longtime ally of Russia, thereby reducing its impact.

 

I think we both have been overlooking something. We both think the leaking of Flynn's conversation with Kislyak and the phone conversations with Nieto and Turnbull were American in origin. You say they came from our intelligence officials and I say the leaks came from the White House.

Maybe we are both wrong. It is easy to assume that Russia and Kislyak are not friends of the U.S. It is also easy to assume that after the phone calls, both Nieto and Turnbull were upset with Trump. He treated these leaders like s**t.

I think there is a strong possibility that Kislyak, Nieto, and Turnbull leaked those conversations to the press to make Trump look bad. If so, they succeeded.

 

If it were just that, I would have stop talking about it nine months ago. Perhaps you are unaware that Trump and his election staff are under suspicion of colluding with the Russians and there is a criminal investigation underway by the special prosecutor and there are four Congressional investigations.

All that is happening now.

 

I like Greenwald, but he needs a better editor. Trust me, prosecuting reporters for their stories is no small matter and it doesn't happen often. If I were Greenwald or his editor, I would not make a big issue of prosecuting reporters. It is a very iffy thing.