Russian Flags Raised In Ukraine's South- How Far Will This Go?

Right, because if they were using just AK47's it would be a heavenly.

 

Sorry, not with you.

 

It was only after long months into the uprising that the resistance was formed and months after that that the US stated it will send arms to them, the batteling parties existed with no relation to the US and they would fight even with Russian arms or Czek or whatever, I think its a very narrow approach to blame mainly the US.

 

Yeah...some people in the U.S. who gain wealth and power from building their companies do tend to act in a manner I do not condone. But not everyone is like that.

Considering that the United States from a Governmental, Corporate and Private aspect are responsible for donating AID in the forms of Food, Medicine, Technical assistance for Crops and Infrastructure as well as Monetary donations are responsible according to the U.N. for keeping over 1.5 BILLION PEOPLE ALIVE each year and without such U.S. AID many Africa and Asian Countries would become desolate wastelands of Death....well.....

There is something to say for that.

AboveAlpha

 

It might be other nations fomenting the troubles, but they are under the U.S. control. One word from us and the fighting in Syria would have stopped the same way the protests would have stopped in Ukraine. Instead we poured fifteen billion to continue them in order to overthrow the legitimate government so we could install a Nato base. Then in order to keep the American public from knowing what's going on, the corporate media starts its blitzes.

 

Defected Ukrainian soldiers ride with a Russian flag in Donetsk





Defected Ukrainian soldier waves Russian flag

[video=youtube;la19XHVjV8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la19XHVjV8Q[/video]

 

Interesting video from Ukraine.

First 1:00

Ukrainian soldiers say they have Russian souls and will not fight against their own people

After 1:00 are some images of pro-Ukrainian nazis wrecking havoc on the police and the army

[video=youtube;1rvgue3wCXI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvgue3wCXI[/video]

 

It seems the Maidan boys have support only in EU and USA, but very little of it inside Ukraine. They need money, arms and army. Ukrainians in the eastern cities already invested so much labor and time in barricades and preparedness. Understandably they do not want to give up and, indeed, the end of it very much depends on them. The events showed clearly that Russian troops did not invade Ukraine. Politicians must listen to demands of Ukrainians, not Maida government planted by foreigners.

 

The Russian soldiers are such cowards. Why dont they wear their flag on their uniforms?

 

They are defected Ukrainian soldiers. There are no Russian soldiers inside Ukraine.

 

This is correct. According to the recent news, even American media admits that troops sent to subdue separatists in the east defected and that Ukrainian border is closed to Russian men from 16 to 60 years of age. Howe Russian troops would be inside Ukraine? I think they would keep the gates between the two countries wide open. Even relatives cannot get through, it is like about erecting a sort of Berlin wall. Those Maidan usurpers are cowards.

 

There have been Russian Spetsnaz in the Crimea since shortly after the end of the Winter Olympics.

Western Media have numerous videos of such Spetsnaz Forces wearing Russian Military Uniforms without rank or insignia.

The uniforms used by Ukrainian Military forces are very different.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes they was there in Crimea. But they allowed to be there by agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Up to 25 000 soldiers was allowed. How many times i need to repeat this...

 

Having ANY Military Forces wearing BLACK SKI MASKS with uniforms having NO RANK and NO INSIGNIA'S is AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!

First of all Russian Troops are NOT allowed in the Crimea as this change of law by the former Putin backed Leader IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL under Ukrainian Law.

Thus as such a law in NOT CONSTITUTIONAL thus is NOT LEGAL....it cannot be said Russian Troops are allowed to be in the Crimea.

I have trained with Spetsnaz and I am proficient in Systema and Sambo and I am also aware of how Spetsnaz is used by Putin as a TERROR FORCE as Spetsnaz Interogation Techniques were being used on Crimean Ukrainian's as a way to instill a great amount of fear and doubt into those Ukrainian's as such interogatoion techniques are NEVER reliable when attempting to gain reliable intel.as a person will say or admit to just about anything when they or their Child or Parents are being tortured.

That is how Spetsnaz operates...BELIEVE ME...I KNOW!

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha, it does not matter where is a soldier a few of them. What matters is what people want, I mean people who live in Ukraine and Russia. Naturally, the same people want to live together as one country. This is not for EU and NATO to decide for them.

 

Russian Flags Raised In Washington Far Will This Go?)))

 

If the Crimea wants to succeed from the Ukraine that's FINE....the Ukrainian Constitution has LEGAL MECHANISMS that will allow the creation of a LEGAL REFERENDUM.

But Russia cannot simply ignore another neighboring countries boarders and make decisions for the Crimean's and Ukrainian's when it is not even their country.

Imagine if the United States were right NOW in this Modern day and age to INVADE part of the Ukraine because many Ukrainian's who got worried that Russia might continue to invade more of the country went and staged massive protests and called on the United States to take over their nation???

In this day and age WE CANNOT go back to a Cold War and the facts are Russia simply no longer has any capability save Nuclear to Militarily counter ANY moves the United States might make with it's Military.

But if the U.S. Stated doing this because we basically KNEW there was not a damn thing Russia could do about it unless they wanted to be obliterated as well with nukes...that we KNEW we could invade the other part of the Ukraine and unless Putin wanted to start a war it could NOT WIN....Putin would have to take it and this would start a whole new Arms Race again.

THAT...is why we can't and Russia can't....or I should say Putin can't because Russian's are keeping their mouths shut because they don't want to end up in Put'n's Gun Cross-hair's because they said too much.....neither of us can do this anymore as economies are GLOBAL...and we all have to learn to live with one another.

AboveAlpha

 

Ukrainian constitution did no work at the time. Maidan coup happened, illegitimate government in Kiev had never been elected. EU ignored Ukrainian constitution. What Stephan Bandera did in Volhynia in 1943? He will never be a hero in Ukraine.

 

Look....I could care less if anyone or everyone LEGALLY VOTED to succeed from the Ukraine as long as it was done LEGALLY....the United States has no issue with it.

But since the United States Military currently exists in over 130 Countries WORLDWIDE and as well exists as the ONLY Military Presence capable of keeping the peace and keeping many nations from KILLING EACH OTHER and as well both Russia and China DEPEND upon the U.S. Navy which currently patrols and helps keep international shipping lanes open and safe all over the oceans of the world.....we get a bit P!$$ED OFF when Russia goes and violates a neighbors boarders as even PUTIN KNOWS that if China see's Russia doing it well then what is to stop China or other nations from violating their neighbors boards as they KNOW Russia and China can't do anything about it and if the U.S. let's Russia do it....what can't we???

THAT is what some nations are thinking now.

Fact is if the United States withdrew all our current Nuclear and Chemical Weapons Disposal Teams which RIGHT NOW are still in Russia and other former Soviet States BUYING AND DESTROYING these weapons....RUSSIA WOULD BE SCREWED!!!

Putin is coming VERY CLOSE to forcing us to teach him a lesson even though we really don't want to be doing it.

The day's when a Russia could do something nasty and get away with it without consequence are OVER!!!

The worse part is we have been helping Russia and Putin since 1993 now and THIS is the crap we have to deal with???

AboveAlpha

 

Sure. But unknown masked guys was selfdefence of Crimea not Russian Army. Same time in Crimea was a lot of real russian soldiers with insignia but they stay aside and didn't capture anything. I agree it was very disputable operation and Russia was involved for sure. But it wasn't occupation. For 2 reasons. First - locals clearly shows support of those selfdefence guys. Second - if it was occupation why USA and Great Britain do nothing? They must protect Ukraine by agreement of 1994 in case of external threat.

This agreement wasn't done by Yanukovich. It was signed since Ukraine gain independence. In other words always was there.

Good for you. Believes is matter of religion, information is just facts. Selfdefence of Crimea is former ukrainian soldiers, all their trainings was developed is Soviet Union. Both Russian special forces and ukrainian uses them. And i don't know what terror you talking about. Crimea seems happy (instead of me, probably this summer i have to visit some other place).

No it is not true. You have bad source. We have no such mechanism. Even today unrest east asks for such law to gain opportunity for people to show what they want.

I can imagine that easily. Like it was in Panama, Korea, Philipines, Cuba, Costa-Rico, Iran, Iraq, Guatemala, Liban, Laos, Afganistan, Grenada, Libia, Kuwait, Somali, Yugoslavia etc.

Yanukovich wasn't great but totaly legaly elected president. But seems like that fact doesn't bothers you much.

With all respect from Ukraine

 

There did not exist a specific law within the Ukrainian Constitution that was specifically designed as a mechanism for any part of the Ukraine succeeding from the Ukraine but there DID exist a Constitutional Law specific to the people of the Ukraine's right to VOTE which was seen by many Constitutional Legal Analysts as capable of being interpreted as a law that could be used for the creation of a referendum specific to succession.

As far as the U.S. sending troops into the Ukraine...that is unlikely in the extreme and I was just using it as a what if scenario.

My point here is that Putin cannot keep acting and behaving like it was the 1900's!!!

It puts us in the nasty position to have to decide to destroy everything we have been trying to achieve since 1993...that being to help disarm Russia and former Soviet Republics and help the Russian Economy as a strong Russian Economy ensures a Democratic Russia which is our National Interests.

When Putin goes and makes a speech which has been specifically written and crafted for RUSSIAN CONSUMPTION....as we know that Putin often has to pretend to talk tough about trying to counter U.S. Military Expansionism and such speeches are directed at and created for Putin's Base Electorate as such older Russian's such speeches target remember and long for the day's when the Soviet Union was a Superpower and when a Soviet Leader said something people paid attention.

NOW....we in the U.S. at my level and higher be it Military, Political or Intelligence specific....COMPLETELY IGNORE such Putin Speeches as we KNOW such talk not only is purely to excite Putin's base electorate...we also KNOW....such talk by Putin and descriptions of what Russia intends to do Militarily to counter the U.S. Military IS COMPLETE FANTASY....as Russia no longer has anywhere the Military Capability or the Economic Strength to enact ANY PLAN that Putin has been spouting as something HE...PUTIN is only capable of doing.

The facts are if a person has only 10 Sea Shells and they can only afford to borrow....3 more shells and what they want to do costs 20 Sea Shells and the banks as it is will only lend then 1 Sea Shell....they are not going to be able to do or buy that thing that will cost 20 Sea Shells.

THAT...is the current reality of Russia.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh... I repeat it is not true. If you believe in this why then why you deny Crimea referendum legality?

I don't know what you trying to achieve since 1993. But can you name any country of the world disarmed by USA which have now strong economy?

So you have no reasons to bother about Russia right?

 

How far will this go? How about torture & murder?

Russians have tortured and murdered two Ukrainian politicians in eastern Ukraine.

 

I am all eyes and ears. Guess that once it is found that you have no proof you will never apologize.

For now it is obvious that eastern ukraine will not live under the rule of kievan junta. If the people wish to preserve the name of Ukraine as the name of their state it is up to them. But it is obvious that:
1) People who have taken weapons don't trust kievan junta and will never lay down their weapons first.
2) Junta has no authority over police and army. It has no power except for western media nad opinion of those who have a very cheap opinion
3) What happens in the Ukraine is happening because of western russophobia. Unfortunately not only the ill-bread and ignorant people trust propaganda. It has also affected the people who really make decisions.