Russian Flags Raised In Ukraine's South- How Far Will This Go?

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  1. flyboy56

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    Are you saying Saddam never used chemicals weapons on the Kurds living in northern part Iraq?
     
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    Bravo! you are the best!!
    Have you ever heard of the treaty in the Bialowieza Forest in consequence of which the Soviet Union collapsed?
    Whether you've heard about that all the republics of the NPT went into the borders that they were part of the Soviet Union?
    Now otvette me by what right Rosiya captures Ukraine. You can wake up tomorrow and hear that the Russian Army entered Kyiv. Reading your posts, I realized that the government has all the right people and it's just a mass that must endure this twice convicted of crime?
    campaign promise is one thing and what happened after the election, people fill up the cup, corruption everywhere enrichment "family" on the impoverishment of the people, the death of the average level of entrepreneurship and what kaschunstvo! people who died for their dignity you call criminals?
     
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    No, that's not what I'm saying.
     
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    As Saddam lied about his WMD, Assad also has lied about supporting the removal of his WMD's. Only 11% have thus far been removed with a deadline coming in March for a full 100% removal. Assad is obviously dragging his feet.
     
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    Yep, Saddam lied when he failed to prove a negative and thus failed to convince the world that he wasn't in possession of his non-existent WMDs.
     
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    Anyone who shoots a rifle in the air over a crowd isn't exactly playing with a full deck. If Assad's not careful he too could find himself hiding in a hole in the ground. But this topic is about Ukraine. Do you think the US will back up it's strong wording towards Russia's invasion of Crimea, Ukraine?
     
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    I think the US tactic from the outset was to attempt to isolate Russia politically by drawing them in. The media have dutifully played their part. That explains why, for example, McCain's narrative while being interviewed live from Kiev on Channel 4 News earlier tonight went unchallenged by the host, Jon Snow. It apparently hadn't occurred to Snow that McCain's grievances with respect to Russia's alleged intervention in the Crimea on the one hand, and the former's presence in Kiev, on the other, are inextricably linked. Snow nodded in agreement in response to McCain's anti-Russian rhetoric and pro-American propaganda. The media are emphasizing the alleged Russian intervention but have ignored the conditions that gave rise to it. Painting Russia as the bad guy was the intention.
     
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    We all know about Saddam using them, but what our government will not let us know is that Turkey at that time committed genocide on the Kurdish people as well. Twenty eight thousand civilians were killed, but guess what? Nothing was said, instead our news media says thirty thousand were killed in the war between them. Right, two thousand Turkish troops and twenty eight thousand Kurd civilians. If that is not genocide equal to Saddam's then what is?

    When Kerry was accusing Assad of using Sarin gas, Del Ponti of the U.N. said that the terrorists had gas as well, and that Turkey had used them on the Kurds two years ago when the Turkish army cordoned off the Kurd area.
     
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    I just heard a news bulletin on the radio that included a soundbite from Obama claiming that "there will be serious consequences for Russia should it be proved that they have undermined Ukranian sovereign integrity". Of course, US meddling in Kiev that led to a coup did not constitute the undermining of Ukranian sovereign integrity which is why nobody in the mainstream media feels it relevant to draw upon that parallel.
     
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    McCain's a nut job. According to a report in Debkafile the U.S. is backing out of Ukraine because the people soon will be demanding food and medicine and it ain't gonna be there. Merkel didn't want Russia to have Ukraine, well now it is Germany's to feed. Did Merkel and Obama really think Russia was going to give Ukraine the money to survive after what happened?

    As I mentioned in another thread, the suffering of the Greeks under the German school marm of austerity will be nothing compared to what the Ukrainians are going to face. I only feel for the innocents who were deceived like a friend of my granddaughters. If they paid attention to the real situation and weren't driven by illusions, they would have realized what the situation was and had a bit of gratitude towards Russia for the sacrifice it was willing to make.
     
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    The neo-fascist run oligarchy of Ukraine has no democratic legitimacy whatsoever. The country will be asset-stripped by the neoliberal free marketeers and austerity-implementing gangsters.
     
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    Source?

    Abject nonsense, the U.S. didn't put anyone in power, and Svodoba is not representative of the opposition, a large plurality if not an outright majority of the Ukrainian people supported entrance into the EU and it was the duly elected Ukrainian parliament who voted their President out of office.
     
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    It wasn't a coup the President was voted out by the duly elected Ukrainian Parliament. :roll:

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    You've been shown the words of Marx and Engels themselves. Next you'll be telling me how Lenin too didn't advocate for the Communist Vanguard minority (red bourgeoisie) to rule or for state terror imposed by the dictatorship of the Proletariat.
     
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    And what was the condition that brought Russia into a sovereign country involved in a civil war?
     
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    We will smash them into pieces and turn them into fertilizer. You can bet on that. The war has turned. We are winning. Syrian Army and allies advancing in all major cities. Get used to that idea.

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    We will kill all terrorists or die trying.
     
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    Kharkov, Ukraine

    Ukrainian Special Forces and Police declare they no longer obey Ukrainian authorities. They have joined pro-Russian demonstrations in the city.

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    Hah! What is you GDP per capita? How much aid did you get from us? What do you invent that anyone would bother buying except weapons, and most are copies of American stuff? You got to be kidding me. Every Wester European nation is per capita richer then Russia. You had bread lines for christ's sake.

    The freest market in South America, Chile, is doing just fine. Not scraping by at all.
     
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    Scary (*)(*)(*)(*) is going on... where's our Commander-in-Chief today... playing golf or, perhaps, playing with Mr. Love again?

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    Dunno if this is something to celebrate or to worry... I think, the latest is in order.
     
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    What a great ay for oppression! Let every Syrian die before Assad faces the ballot box! Keep those illiterate Syrians under an iron fist! Hooray! If Putin wants land let him take it! Russia doesnt suck at all.

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/breaking-journalists-discover-russia-still-sucks

    Watching the cheerleaders of evil go at it, is maddening.

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    She is a pro dictator type. Wants to live in the old USSR so basically just to the right of Van Jones.
     
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    And where were they when they should have been protecting the legitimate government of Ukraine? You say they just became part of the pro-Russian demonstrators? How professional of them.

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    He's attending a DNC fund raiser at a swanky Hotel in D.C. Honestly.
     
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    Better there, than meddling in something he has no clue about. Like an international affairs. Honestly :)
     
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    Today events:
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    Are you blind or dillusional? They were protecting legitimate government of Yanukovich in Ukraine. The one that was elected.

    That government was overthrown and the special forces were disbanded by the new illegitimate government.

    They are protecting the population in Eastern Ukraine.

    They joined the peoples wish to be with Russia, not with USA.
     
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    Ukrainians pose with unidentified pro-Russian soldiers in Crimea.

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    Huge Pro-Russian demonstrations install Russian flag over Donetsk in East Ukraine/.
     
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