Russian mercenary boss says Bakhmut practically surrounded -March 3rd

You think their artillery is going to hit moving targets? You're funny.

 

The tanks have stop for fuel, ammo and maintenance. They will breakdown as well.

 

Pretty sure Ukraine's armed forces are aware of that and will protect them accordingly.

 

Ukrainian commander says there are more Russians attacking the city of Bakhmut than there is ammo to kill them

Chris Panella
Fri, March 3, 2023 at 8:47 AM CST

• A Ukrainian commander said fighting in Bakhmut is "critical" and there are more Russians than ammo.
  
  
• The head of Russia's mercenary Wagner group said the city is almost surrounded by Russian forces.
  
  
• Bahkmut has been the site of some of the deadliest combat in the war for both sides.
  

... https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-commander-says-more-russians-144704038.html

The fascists are using real-life zerging as a military strategy. For those who may not know what that is:

n. Using massive amounts of weak, or generic units, to attack an enemy.
Used widely in PlanetSide, to describe massive amount of soliders that spawn in a tower, and then attack a base.
It comes from the word word "zerg." Zergs in Starcraft are able to produce large amounts of units very quickly.

I hate, when base assault comes down to zerging​

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zerging

 

Noted

 

Oh no! Now you're going to remind me whenever the orcs manage to destroy one! You probably won't even care that wasn't an artillery hit.

 

Why would I do that since most likely only neutral or pro Russia news outlets will report it? You won't believe my source if it isn't a western MSM outlet. What happened in Bakhmut? I thought the Wagner Group was pretty much done according to western media. So what else is western media lying about?

 

The western media is spinning it as just a feel good win for Russia and that Bakhmut isn't a strategic city for the Russians. Because Russia surrounded the city many experienced Ukraine fighters are trapped. Seems the US advised Zelensky to pull his troops out before it was encircled but it seems Zelensky did not heed that advice.

 

You're clearly missing how the Wagner Group destroyed the Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut. 50,000 soldiers make up the Group. I thought they were getting destroyed according to western media. They were so desperate they were recruiting from prisons. The western media lied and they are lying about the rest of the war. The Russian Federation army will secure Bakhmut while the Wagner Group continues its onslaught further into Ukraine.

 

The city is not surrounded but it is endanger of becoming so. It served it's purpose so it is time to pull back in stages. I am sure the next defensive line has already been set up.

 

Your "neutral" and "pro Russia" "news" outlets are probably not reporting the truth anyway.

Why are you such a Putler fanboi, anyway?

 

This seems like a good place to share this link about Russian propaganda operations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

 

Ukraine War: Are Ukrainian forces coming under 'severe pressure' in Bakhmut?

 

What's happening in Bakmut?

 

Most Front-Line Ukrainian Soldiers Killed Within ‘4 Hours’ | VT | Alternative Foreign Policy Media (veteranstoday.com)

 

What am I missing.....40K Wags were slaughtered in/around Bakhmut? Piggy was recruiting from prisons....no one sent you a memo?


Yes ...uh huh....so let's see...I suspect by this time next month Wankers will be storming Warsaw??LOL.

 

I'm actually always surprised at the amount of videos of tanks hit by artillery I have seen in this conflict. If they move to close defensive positions they are susceptible to the massive amounts of anti tank weapons on both sides(+mines). But if they take a position at a distance and are located by spotting drone's they have been coming under artillery barrage. Seems unlikely but tons of drone video's on telegram, twitter and even youtube of artillery hitting and disabling/destroying tanks and other armored vehicles.

 

We will see how the numbers feasibly stack up in the near future. According to Ukrainian sources they had a 1 to 7 kill ratio in Bakhmut, which if going by most of the rough numbers of combatants and casualties Ukraine should still be holding the city and winning the battle.
If Wagner group moves to another front and advances the elimination of 80% of its forces would prove to be an exaggeration. There is no indication at this point the PMC lacks the manpower to operate.

Take for instance -

Its impossible to garner information on casualties when they vary so much from source to source. This particular article only has western and Ukrainian sources, and we could find others from the Ukrainian and Russian ministry of defenses that will contradict these numbers from lets say the UK defense ministry estimates.
With biases like these its hard to really put your finger on what the losses are on either side.

** Per this particular article casualties, or troops killed or wounded in action are Russia 2 losses(Per UK Defense Ministry) to Ukraine 1 Loss(per General Milley) or only 2:1.
Although I would rather not trust UK and US sources as solid fact considering they are not involved directly in the war and have a reason for bias.

 

Those are mostly Ukrainian artillery hitting Russian tanks. Ukraine uses both artillery spotters and has drone spotters integrated into every artillery unit where as Russia doesn't use either regularly.

 

BTW it is not just Wagner around Bakhmut, they are the minority of Russian forces around there now after more than half a year and 40,000 KIA. There are regular Russian forces mobniks, Wagner, and the VDV.



Personally, I would have started the pull out half a week ago as Bakhmut just isn't a strategic place. The sole reason to stand in Bakhmut from the beginning was that it had fortifications since 2014 so you use the fortifications to bleed the Russians as much as you can then fall back to the next line. Weaken them but avoid encirclement so you live to keep fighting.

 

...there are some troops that have become so invested in the defence of Bakhut, through having lost friends or just through sheer length of time stationed there, that they will not leave. Just the same as those that stayed behind in the Azovstal plant at Mariupol. I imagine they would see it as a betrayal of whatever is motivating them to remain..

 

1) As I have stated we will get a better indication of the 40k estimate in the coming months considering that would be 80% of its estimated manpower eliminated. If they are still around and advancing as shock troops the number stated is an exaggeration. There is nothing to back up that number other than random mostly US and UK sources.
2) East of the Dnieper River what exactly is a strategic place? Would not every city be as you describe, just a defensive position easily sacrificed to then fall back to the next line? Bakhmut is a large city in the Donbas and has crossroads leading in all directions. For Russia who claims the Donbas it has a strategic value, for Ukraine under your premise nothing is of strategic value especially east of the Dnieper.

 

The Russians are advancing in Chaos & Panic while the Ukrainians are Victoriously retreating

 

Wagner mostly just went prisoners as cannon fodder telling them to move forward or they would be shot from behind. It didn't used it's core forces on such suicide attacks so the 40,000 figure is very believable. BTW do you know where Wagner got its manpower? It had two main sources 1) Russian soldiers who left active duty and 2) Prisoners. There are no Russian soldiers leaving active duty any more as the Kremlin prevents them saying they are there for the duration while Putin has closed the prisons to Wagner. Putin was afraid Piggy was becoming more popular than himself so that had to end. Now, Russian state media (which is the only media in Russia) is explicitly ordered to never mention Wagner or Piggy.

 

Of course I have seen these talking points from Ukrainian sources in the past two weeks. I have learned not take most information of this nature as fact until its realized in the battlefield. I have stated more than once now that we will see in the upcoming weeks or months if Wagner PMC has lost its combat capabilities or if these numbers of losses, questions of their recruitment capabilities and ect. are fact, fiction, or pure exaggeration. There is no other way of knowing.

**You have your opinion based on your comments which I do not outright say is a lie. Impossible to know.
**In my opinion based off what I see on the ground, they don't seem to have lost their ability to make an impact, win battles, and advance. We have to wait in see in reality what is correct and that will take some time and watching events on the ground.