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S. Alexievich (this year Nobel prize Winner): “Putin now lives inside every Russian”

Discussion in 'Russia & Eastern Europe' started by litwin, Oct 8, 2015.

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  1. sharik

    sharik Banned

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    no it isn't the lifespan, because people have to die of some disease anyway, whatever age they are, so cancer should take the younger ones where lifespan is shorter, by logic... however, this does not happen, which means that in the case of the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia there was no radiation effect produced by Chernobyl whatsoever and it all was in fact concoted by Western propaganda machine as always.
     
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  2. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    ps
    in Muscovy Sviatlana will become the next Solzhenitsyn who was a hate object for 80% soviet people in 70-80s, much like in Putin´s Muscovy where 80% of vatniks hate him , read this anti - Nazi book which Sviatlana recommended to all
    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/02/pamiatnik/
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    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    Solzhenitsyn has never been a hate object neither for Soviet people, nor for Russian one.
     
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  4. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    whats about this story?
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    litwin, Oct 10, 2015
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  5. litwin

    litwin Well-Known Member

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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...nitsyn-vandalized-with-judas-sign/529679.html

    why was no one punished for this crime?
     
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    yeh....

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    What about this story? I don't see crowds of people who hate Solzhenitsyn. Do you see them?
     
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  8. litwin

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    litwin, Oct 10, 2015
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    Cancer develops from the mutations in the DNA. With age mutations progress, therefore, the risk to be diagnosed with cancer at older ages is higher.
    Otherwise, how can you explain this statistics?
     
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    My friend, where do you find all these pictures? :) Is it real?
     
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    yes but a shorter lifespan means old age coming sooner; besides, a younger folk gets ill with cancer quite often these days.

    that the Chernobyl accident did not cause a spread of radiation any further than the nukeplant itself.

    its not a dead man in that pic.
     
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    This may explain the low rate in Ukraine/Russia/Belorussia, but does not explain high rate in France, UK, Switzerland, Norway. In addition overall, in Russia ecological situation is worse than in EU, therefore I would expect higher rates in Russia, than in EU.
    Otherwise, this statistics for me does not make sense and is not correct.
     
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    He is an expert - he knows where all garbage and dumps on the Internet :roflol:
     
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    God No, just to much Putinka, the real man who proves every day that he is not a Westerner



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    it does, it shows that Europe and America are much more polluted with radiation and chemicals than the rest of the world.

    how come? Russia's ecology is obviously way better than the West's.

    the links i posted are only a small part of numerous links to similar statistic numbers on other sites.
     
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    Common. In EU the restrictions for the cars is much more severe for example, than in Russia. Everyone knows that one can buy a technical inspection and drive a car which is a disaster for local ecology. In EU this is not possible. I do not need to see any statistic about pollution. Once I come to Moscow from Berlin, I can feel the quality of the air is much worse in Moscow. I do not speak about Dzerjinsk, I was once there and I do not understand how people live there-no air to breathe. You will not find any city in EU similar to Dzerjinsk in terms of ecology. Well, it is established that average lifetime of a person in Russia is smaller than in the West so ecology can not be better in Russia.
     
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    In the EU and cars much more than in Russia...

    [video=youtube_share;1OoHQHkVCcc]http://youtu.be/1OoHQHkVCcc[/video]
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    [video=youtube_share;jqxENMKaeCU]http://youtu.be/jqxENMKaeCU[/video]
    ENG

    PS:
    Life expectancy level in Russia, is separate conversation. Here also earnings influence to buy useful food (a little in Russia eat in the winter for example of fresh fruit, all marinade...) and health care... (In recent years the Russian government makes large sums in this sphere, updating medical equipment, opening the new high-tech centers, stimulating production of domestic drugs in Russia, repairing hospitals and policlinics). A hard work (look as the Russian woman for example works, works, raises children, it is constant in kitchen, washing, cleaning - the western woman work is easier...) etc.
     
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    restrictions concerning what? the specifications that don't actually harm health while at the same time they do let pass harmful ones? Europe is politics all over, you see; all their laws are only aimed to help one corporate lobby get ahead of the other, hence 'restrictions' and so on.

    you are mistaken, it wasn't cars... the peat that burned every summer in the swamps surrounding Moscow region and produced smoke until lately was in fact not harmful, although a plague to those allergical and with asthma, but eventually not causing fatal diseases.

    this has nothing to do with ecology or healthcare. Russian women lifespan is ok, by the way, so it is only Russian men who live shorter, due to there habits etc.
     
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    Restrictions concerning, for example CO,СO2 etc. Good example is the case in VW when it has to call back a lot of cars from the US and started investigation with the cars on the internal market. On the other side, Russian officials told that there is no problem with VW in Russia and the sales of diesel car will continue, and there would be no request to send back the diesel cars that were sold in Russia.
    Common, the burning of forests around Moscow resulted in many deaths due to heart attacks in summer 2010 (http://www.yabloko.ru/mneniya_i_publikatsii/2010/09/14). This year there were no fires around Moscow so the air should have been better, but it was not.
    Of course, lifespan has to do with ecology and with the quality of medical assistance. The percentage of people who has bad habits, and thus shorter lifespan, is the same on average for each country, therefore, this factor can be discarded when comparing the lifespans in different countries.
     
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    I could not watch the videos. They are not played. I found quite interesting data on the number of cars/1000 people in different cities (http://dt.mos.ru/upload/presentations/uds/avtomobilizacia.pdf)
    EU big cities are not much different from Moscow, for example (344 vs 303 per 1000 people).
    As for medical care, here is the info about budget for 2016 year: only 70 kopeeks out of each 10 roubles will be spent for both healthcare and education (https://slon.ru/posts/57681, http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2015/10/07/7809035.shtml).
     
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    bad example, that, unless for unfair competition on the car market.

    not true, because summer deaths increase due to excessive heat (which was especially higher in 2010 here than before and afterwards) - and it is the same for the rest of the world.

    that means you haven't been to Moscow lately; actually the atmosphere here is very ok during the latter years since they have curbed the peat smouldering.

    as i said, the lifespan of Russian women is ok and it is only Russian men who live shorter than usual, this points to that the main brunt of bad habits is on them, which constitutes the disproportion.
     
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    Why it is bad example? Not at all. It shows that Russian officials do not care about ecology.
    The statistics which I gave a reference was connected with the fires but not with the hot weather.


    I come to Moscow at least twice a year. Visit Berlin or Bern, whatever you like and you will see the difference in air quality.
    Watch what they use on the streets in winter in Moscow to remove snow. These chemicals are very aggressive: couple years and your shoes are dead. Same situation with the cars: you will never find cars in Moscow older than 10 yeas without rust. In EU- no problem.
    I say you that the percentage of men having bad habits is the same for Russia and EU. Nevertheless, men in EU live much longer.
    Going back to the initial staff with Chernobul station. I have read several publications (like here:http://ria.ru/spravka/20130426/934551998.html, look reports for MAGATE). I do not believe that the radioactive staff was localized only in the station.
    And I am sure that risk to get cancer for the descendents of those who lived in the areas polluted after the catastrophe will be very high as I said the mutations in the DNA will be exposed at later stages.
     
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