S. Alexievich (this year Nobel prize Winner): “Putin now lives inside every Russian”

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  1. sharik

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    what happened to Volkswagen recently is certanly an example of car market competition being rigged.

    no officials of whatever country care about ecology, the subject of which is only used to attack the rival's business.

    you must be kidding to compare such small towns as Berlin or Bern with a large city like Moscow; should have compared them with Tver or Novgorod.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-surprising-map-of-smoking-rates-by-country/
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    i've read plenty of those publications, but the facts are there: still no increase in cancer and leukemia for the Ukraine, Belarus and Russia.

    later, that is when?.. it is already 2015 now, i gave you stats for 2012 that should have already shown some signs of cancer increase in the Ukraine, but na-ah, there's no any.
     
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    no you are not, this date is closed , all numbers are very controversial i know for sure that it was explosion of leukemia i Choniki (Khoniki) region in Belarus . sharik your main point that government of the dirty sovok did nothing bad , right?
     
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    Well, compare then Tokyo and Moscow. Tokyo is much less polluted city.
    Looking at your map I see that in Africa they do not smoke much. Nevertheless, they have a short lifespan expectancy. How about that?
    Of course, officials care about ecology in some countries. In EU at least. Otherwise, Germany would not start internal exploration of the VW case. They do not want to have cars in the country dangerous to the ecology. On the contrary, for Russian officials, it does not matter if the cars are dangerous or not. Later- it means when there pass two generations- that is about in 60 years after the catastrophe.
     
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    Stalin had created a great country. But what you done to condemn Stalin? By the way, thanks to Stalin you live. (As we all know, Hitler did not favor the Jews.)

    What is - "One can interpret his activities depending on personal standpoint of view. "?
    Explosions Station in Johannesburg, can be interpreted other than terrorism? How do you interpret the explosions of the polling stations? The struggle for peace?.... Following your logic - explosions "twins" in New York 9.11 can also be called the liberation movement? .... You regret, that Bin Laden not received the Nobel Peace Prize, like other terrorists?
     
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    Lenin together with Stalin organized revolution in Russia. They used terrorist methods to come to power: explosions, weapons. This is pure terrorism.
    To my mind, also the fact that huge number of people were sent to the labor camps, clearly indicate that Stalin had terroristic attitude to the people in his own country. This can not be called other than terrorism that such people as Sergey Korolev, Andrey Tupolev, Nikolai Vavilov, Lev Landau! and many others were sent to prison. It is not Stalin, who created the great country, but rather the people who lived in the USSR.
    So yes, following your arguments I can say that explosions of government buildings is not a terrorism, but struggle against apartheid, struggle for freedom, struggle for peace.
     
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    all mentally healthy people condemn your bloody role-model Stalin, but you as a Muscovite(eternal slave of your khans) will never get it
    [video=youtube;6pc_qWNsV9w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pc_qWNsV9w[/video]
     
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    Stalin´s role in revolution was very minor, he was just a Georgian gangster who worked often for Communist party , that's why he killed almost all old Bolsheviks who knew him before the revolution

    [video=youtube;LK8NhPPLmuA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK8NhPPLmuA[/video]
     
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    to call Moscow 'polluted' would be ignorance at its most. Moscow has never been cited among polluted places on the globe; moreover, there are places in this city where air is very clean, these are apartment block districts near the city outskirts; but you chose to pick as an example only Moscow Ring Roads and avenues where it is traffic jams all over.

    ask the Afrikans.

    no, they don't. Germany is America's puppet, thats why they didn't put up resistance during Volkswagen stitch up.
     
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    Why Germans should resist if the problem with pollution from VW diesel cars indeed exists? This is not an invention of US.
    Of course, Moscow is not the most polluted city. Much more is a smaller city Dzerjinsk. Go there to the cemetery and see how long people live there.
    From your arguments one would think then everyone in Dzerjinsk smokes and drinks vodka.
    Why should I ask Afrikans?:grin: This map does not provide logical explanation of the lifespan in different countries, therefore the data there is a fake one.
     
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    Explore question. And do not write nonsense. One example. Family Landau. In 1991 published the materials of the criminal case on charges Landau in anti-Soviet activities related to this arrest in 1938.
    From the materials one can see that in rapprochement with the "anti-Soviet the group" Landau pushed "discontent and anger caused by the arrest of his father D. Landau."
    But for what was arrested the father Landau? Daughter Landau decided to find out the reason for the arrest of her grandfather
    She wrote a request to the KGB in Baku, where was arrested by her grandfather.
    After some time, the Ministry of National Security of Azerbaijan Republic came the answer: "Dear Elena Gelievna! Your grandfather - David L. Landau , 1866 birth, living in Baku at the address: Krasnoarmeiskaya Street, Building 17, and worked as an engineer-technologist "Azneft" was arrested in March 1929 by the Economic Department of ACRI on charges of illegal detention, buying and selling gold coins prerevolutionary coinage. The money was found during a search of an apartment in home of your grandfather..... "
    In other words - Father Lev Landau was a currency speculator during the famine in the USSR.
    It later thieves, speculators, corrupt and other trash have begun to argue that they - innocent victims.
    Sam Lev Landau was arrested in connection with participation in the anti-Soviet groups in the Kharkov University. Fully admitted his guilt. He was later released. He not is subjected to harassment and political repression. He received the prestigious job. He became an academician. He travel abroad. Etc.
    As for the rest, the people you mentioned - you can read the published material. In order not to write nonsense about the illegal repression.

    You can suggest Bin Laden on award of the Nobel Peace Prize. During an attack on a shopping center in New York. He fought for peace and for the defense of Islam.
    You claim that the explosions of buildings - it is a struggle for peace and for their beliefs.
    I for you can propose candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize. For example the Irish Republican Army, Al Nusra, Taliban, German Red Army Faction, the Italian Red Brigades (Who blew up the train station in Bologna? Also worthy candidate.), the Basques and so on. And do not forget Somali pirates.
     
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    one for sure Nigeria with snow in life span is not far away from Africa
     
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    how do you know it does or that other car producers are any better than Volkswagen in that respect?

    don't try to make an impression that what happened in Dzerzhinsk applies to entire Russia, a vast country where one polluted town does not change a thing.

    because the link i posted concerns only consumption of cigaretts per each country, not life expectancy.
     
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    I do not write nonsense. I have read a lot about about all the above mentioned people. Everyone who said anything against Stalin finished in prison. Of course, Landau had to admit whatever they told him to admit as otherwise he would stay in prison for infinitely long time. We do not discuss here Ben Laden, but Mandela and Stalin. The latter is true terrorist to his own people. Going back to Nobel prizes, the people who get them with rear exception mostly deserve it.Do not think that people who sit in the committee are more stupid than you are. Apparently, they know better then you and me who deserves and who does not deserve.
     
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    VW publically admitted that there is indeed a problem. Why should they do so if there was no problem? Unless the management there is crazy to make a company a looser on the automarket.
    One town in Russia? What about these cities?
    Cerepovec
    Cerepovec.jpg

    Norilsk
    Norilsk.jpg

    Novokuznetsk
    Novokuznetsk.jpg

    If the map is not related to the time of life then short lifespan in Russia is not related to the number of cigarettes people smoke there.
     
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    because they were forced to by the US authorities, otherwise they would have been ousted from US market.

    a lot of smokestacks, so what?.. a smokestacks array alone does not mean pollution yet.
     
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    Common, it is vice versa- once they have recognized their fault, they would have problems to sell the cars in the US- the market will be taken over by GM. In addition they will be billed with huge penalty for this. Do not think that VW management is so stupid to accept the faults that does not exist. Maybe Merkel is a puppet of US, but not VW. They follow business rules and do not care about politics, so neither US, no anyone else could force them to admit anything that does not exist. This is simply nonsense.
    Yes, this smoke does mean the pollutions. The color of the smoke (dark) indicates that there is a lot of сarbon- which is cancerogen. These are the most polluted cities in Russia. You will never find such polluted places in EU.
     
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    why ´d ever the neo - colonialists attack Islam? It helps them more then all armies together ...
     
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    In this case I may say that this is a fake statistics.
     
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    most of the time, this date is not academically collected ...+ both Countries don't want to let this information out
     
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    This video can't be looked from a forum but if to click - it can be looked on YouTube. ( you don't know how to use the searcher in YouTube?:smile: look for -фильм запрещенный к показу в 36 странах Мира HD or in English HOME
     
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    Bu ha ha :smile:it not the smoke is a steam!
     
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    It is really smoke- it is especially seen on the first two images- dark grey color comes from carbons- most cancerogenes staff. These are the most polluted cities if you do not know:
    http://topstens.ru/top-10-samye-gryaznye-goroda-rossii
     
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    no, they wouldn't, because alike cases had already taken place with other car producers, although without such a scandal, so US market would not be lost for them.

    rubbish... business has always been a part of politics, especially in the West, there's no rules but political ones that every business is obliged to follow.

    who told you that?.. the smoke color is not an indication of anything, and it isn't yet clear how сarbon from smokestacks would affect the atmosphere of each particular place on the globe.

    there are lots of more polluted places in the EU without any smoke whatsoever, so you'll never know how polluted they are.

    as you might guess, the link i gave is not the only one there; go and google the cancer disease stats worldwide to see for yourself.

    'pollution' is a very tricky notion and a very politicised subject; no research is capable to determine completely what is pollution and how does it affect you, unless in clearly obvious cases like Fukusima, for instance.


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    LOL joke of the day Norilsk has no smoke just an ordinary steam )) LOL welcome to Norilsk Paris Hilton )))
     

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