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Unfortunately, these aren't the right kinds of massacres that get you air time in the media or sympathy from the US government. I suggest saying Iran did it...or al Qaeverywhere.
The Israel sympathisers here will tell us that it wasn't the IDF who pulled the trigger. That is correct; however, if I recall the law states that if one is present during the commission of a crime, and in a position to prevent the crime taking place but one does not, then one is as guilty as those who did the actual killing. This is the position as regards the IDF who stood by allowing the massacre to take place. "But it was the Lebanese", they whine. Today is the anniversary of that atrocity and, like the unprovoked attack by the IDF on the USS Liberty, it is a crime never to be forgotten. I hope our Israeli apologists are proud of supporting criminals.
Your recollection of law is wrong. Just being in the area doesn't make you a criminal. The Israeli government did take some responsibility for their failure to intervene, but then you seem to ignore that fact. IDF failed but their failure was not criminal. Edit/unnecessary innuendo The Kahan Commission condemned Israel. Again what was the criminal act? Being a by-stander? Funny Israel took their lack of action seriously, high level government officials took a hit and it was done on the world stage. Funny you bring this up as 100,000+ people are being massacred in Syria and the US is in a position to stop it and no one is calling for our leaders to be dragged to The Hague.....
You're not telling me anything I don't know. And yes, Israel was as guilty as the Lebanese militia in allowing the massacres to take place. Remember, the IDF were supposed to be protecting the refugees in the camps. They stood by, observed what was going on, and did nothing.
You are right. They did stop people escaping and that is why the government did the investigation. - - - Updated - - - Now since I wasn't on the ground I don't know what went through the minds of Israeli officers. What I do know is that they were tasked to keep people in the camps and that was fatal. Perhaps more upper level people should have been brought to trial.
Really? Let us check the FACTS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre 'Nuff said about lily white innocence. When are your going to start to allow FACTS to intrude on your reasoning, MGB?
Lovely "Humanitarians " the "Jewish people special to GOD",to be clear the Fascist Christian Militia were paid handsomely by Israel for services rendered. Hey and Fascists for Genocide of the Palestinians flock together. just as the Vatican and Hitler collaborated with the genocide of European Jewry.
What??? Israel was in a war deliberately started by itself!!!You are well aware of that. Justification for Israel's massive aggression and land greed was based on a pack of lies by Begin and the butcher Sharon. Do not try to fool the readers. They have seen the truth for themselves. They saw it here - so did you: # http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=313440&page=8&p=1062965343#post1062965343 - where it was shown that the ceasefire was not broken by the PLO as Begin claimed. The wealth of verifiable top-quality references is overwhelming, so much so that even DrewBenson was left hanging Israel's defence on one tiny thread of dubious PLO origin, perpetrated by a rogue Syrian-led group 11 months before Begin unclipped Sharon's leash. As I said, the evidence in Israel's favour was one against dozens, has nothing to do with the time of the invasion, and was dubious at best. So, as the Israeli historian Porath noted, Begin was stymied by the PLO's scrupulous observance of the Habib ceasefire. None of the Apologists on this forum were able to refute this ... none. The discussion record is available, and is crystal clear. # Then Begin dreamed up a reason to attack the PLO and to invade Lebanon to acquire the southern sector which has been stated many times was an integral part of the grand Zionist goal of Eretz Yisrael; more land theft in other words, couched in "retaliation" camouflage. Another Syrian-based group, sworn enemies of the PLO, made an assassination attempt in London on an Israeli ambassador. And Begin blamed the PLO and invaded. The BS of this 'reasoning' was outlined in detail here - in detail: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=313440&page=10 And now you want the readers to accept your reasoning that because of Israel's massive aggressive and unjustified invasion, the war that that caused she should have been forgiven using yet further aggression in her duplicity in a disgusting massacre? How sick. As said many times before - you Zionist apologists sure demand exception debating leeway, don't you? Leave Isaiah 42:20 behind and join the 21st Century flow of FACTs. It will set you free from the stress of wriggling.
That isn't what the Kahan Commission said. You might like to read its findings one day, and find out all about Israel's complicity in that war crime.
Israel was indirectly responsible ? Like Israel is now indirectly responsible to 120000 dead Syrians. Give us a break. "The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the slaughter of between 762 and 3,500 civilians, mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shiites, by a Lebanese Christian militia in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon from approximately 6:00 pm 16 September to 8:00 am 18 September 1982." ONLY ARABS KILL OTHER ARABS.
He is a scumbag, Allah ponished him for deportation of Jews. If he was Muslim, he was dead long ago. For killing Arabs he recieved bonus points , so he is still alive.
I dont diminish the Israeli responsibility but I do limit it, I think the ppl that were actually capable to carry such massacre are abit more guilty than those that didnt prevent it, what you ppl do is disregard the murderers and put the blame entirly on Israel which is distorted and false.
It was a war of choice made by Israel like most op's carried in Gaza, we dont want to live under threat of terror so when chance arise Israel will attack terrorists, cease fire with them is short and used only to gain strength on their side so when the ambasador had a failed assasination attempt on him Israel decided its time to clear the nests, we had the ability to do it and no more tolerance, you hint as if a cease fire is door to peace - that's not true, you know very well that a Jewish home will never co exist with terrorists agenda. On the same token, If Nassralla will peek out of his hiding hole long enough for a drone to hit him, he will be hit.
The IDF were guarding the camps. Their duty was to protect the refugees. The IDF were in a position to prevent the massacres. They did not do so. They, and the Israeli government, are equally as guilty as the Lebanese militia who did the actual trigger pulling. Nobody involved in the commission of a massacre is any less guilty than anyone else. If anything the IDF were more guilty in that they allowed the massacre to take place. This is no different than handing a gun to a murderer in the full knowledge that he is going to kill someone, but denying responsibility for the subsequent murder. Fortunately Kahan agreed.
The IDF were NOT in a position to prevent the massacres. The IDF is also not in a position to prevent the Syrian genocide. The Only blooded hands who kill Arabs are Arabs hands.
Unfortunately for you Israel's own Kahan Commission disagrees, and found Israel to be indirectly responsible for the massacres. The then defense minister, Sharon, was forced to resign as a result of the report which found him to bear "personal responsibility for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" for the massacres. Read all about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_Commission Now you'll tell me Kahan is fiction.
The Israelis can be proud that their democracy is alive and kicking, so they perform commissions.. Arabs are not familliar with that word !! Sharon is not dead yet because Allah gave him bonus points for killing Arabs.
What about the Palestinian Mufti "Haj Amin Hussaini" who collaborated with the genocide of European Jews ?? Obama does not understand Arabs - I DO !!
