Those are the ONLY words that matter !! All the rest does not. The ONLY blooded hands that kill Arabs are Arab hands . Period.
To you they may be the only words that matter; however Israel's Kahan Commission-who, I venture to suggest, knew a hell of a lot more about what went on than you-would beg to differ. Sharon was found to "bear personal responsibility" for allowing the massacres to take place, and was forced to resign as defense minister as a result. I'm sorry the truth hurts so much. Get over it.
No Klip, it was the PLO's breaking of the ceasefire that started this ball rolling. Unless of course you can dig up the terms of this Habib Ceasefire to show that Habib and the world were perfectly fine with Arafat writing his own terms otherwise, we can assume that Habib went along with the UN rather than against them. Heck, even you acknowledge the UN terms were what the PLO were following yet you just can't come to grips with it. " the PLO had assured him that it would observe the cease-fire called for by the Security Council." Oh, while you are searching for your bogus garbage that doesn't exist, perhaps you can dig up the number I've asked you for in telling us all, (complete with verifiable Childer approved documentation of course as we know how he hates lying or ineffectual debaters who have no proof of their lame claims) how much land individual Palestinians owned circa 1948. Comon Klip, you can do it! Just a turd or two of your usual humor followed by the same old same easy to disprove crappola will do just fine.
Which law? The law of which country exactly ( or are you claiming there is some universal 'moral law' which just so happens to exist and is completely in accordance with your ethical beleifs) There is ceretainly now law in the UK that states that. Tell me about this law and we can carry on. Why do you think it will never be forgotten?
It will never be forgotten because right-thinking people will ensure it is not-in the same way that any atrocity should be remembered. As for the 'law' you refer to, I suggest you look up 'accessory' or 'accessory after the fact'. I suggest also you ask the Kahan commissioners-or did you think they made one up especially for that particular atrocity? Here, allow me to help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term) http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/accessory.html
I don't have access to the Kahan commisioners and its you making the claim. Please link to the law. I see you characterise 'right thinking people' as just people who think like you. Tell me why you think the Massacre at Hama in the same year a hundred or so miles away where 5 times as many people died is never mentioned by 'right thinking' people like you? Indeed the really big massacres of a hundred years ago like the Armenians are never brought up by people like you. Sabra and Chatilla is tiny in the 20th century scheme of things when compared to the vastly larger massacres elsewhere. Because you single out Israel for special condemnation ,whether though anti semitism, ignorance or because you identify Israel with 'the west' you consider Sabra and Chaittlla important. because you are not bothered about Hafez Assad you ignore what happened at Hama. It will be forgotten as soon as Israel is not an issue.
You are being a troll. Why? 1) You were shown with full references that international leaders, commentators, historians and even the Israeli politicians understood that it was the Habib intervention that was ruling the ceasefire. 2) You are again attempting to resuscitate an old stale and totally improbable justification that a single event on the day that the Habib understanding came into being, an event that was soundly criticised by the PLO leadership, was justification for an invasion that took place 11 months later. What a joke. 3) You were shown that nowhere did the two main instigators of the invasion, Begin and Sahron, even refer to that July 1981 aggression by a Syrian-led rogue faction. OInstead their justification was a London assassination. Yet you have the gall to fly in the face of established fact and claim that the PLO broke the ceasefire. You quiver is just so empty that it cannot even rattle. And yet here you are, claiming sanitised victory. Clearly a provocative and disruptive act .... called trolling. In addition you have been caught out 6 times fiddling with historical facts; you have an established track record.
Only a troll would continue rambling on about a ceasefire he didn't have terms for. Have you the terms or not? Understanding now? Come now, prior to this desperate ploy it was a ceasefire and now it is a simple "understanding?" The "Habib Understanding" Klip, this is too rich and will provide fodder for comedy for many posts to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why should they when it was common knowledge the ceasefire was broken already so many times by the Palestinians Klip. Unless this "understanding" superseceded the UN Ceasefire. "Habib Understanding." Looked it up, can't find it. Got a link?
Oh I see, so in your opinion the worth of a massacre is measured in the quantity of deaths-bigger is worse? Look pal, a massacre is a massacre whenever those in no position to defend themselves are murdered in any number, and whoever is responsible the killing. I'm not singling-out Israel. The thread is abour Sabra and Shatila. If you want to open another thread on other massacres, feel free.
You do ... by what they wrote: http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1606&context=facpubs But even given those dam-ning findings, how objective was even the Kahan report? More? Disgusting for a so-called civilised nation, isn't it - some 20 000 people slaughtered in total. But according to the Apologists, "Israel never attacks; Israel only retaliates". 'Nuff said.
I am not your pal. Funny you are claiming to be in Corrnwall but use Scottish slang. Yes the more people killed in a massacre the worse it is. Mao Murdering 60 million people is a lot worse than The Boston massacre. You are clearly singling out israel.Its pretty standard for leftists to ignore massacres by anyone anti western. Youi remind me of those people who attack pinnochet but champion Castro. - - - Updated - - - Nonsense. About 1500 were killed,
I have many. I have shown them to you ... all of them. You are fully aware of the entire collection. Each and every one. Yet ..... But I find it useful to collect all of my evidence in one place. It has a better inpact. What did you not understand about the Israeli government recognition of their understanding of the Habib ceasefire, Drew? Has The Global Jewish News Source also got it wrong, Drew? The US Library of Congress has it on record. Reputable US media knew about it. Israeli historians and the Israeli press knew about it. Military buffs know about the ceasefire and the PLO's observance of it. Authors on history knew about it. Not only one author knew about it; even the Israelis did. Even authors on international conflicts, authors as far away as India, were aware of Habib's cease-fire. Global think-tanks know about the Habib cease-fire. Still more authors knew about the Habib ceasefire. Even left-wing authors were aware of it. Oh, yes, before I forget about it, even the bad old UN in the form of the UNIFIL forces observing compliance with the Habib cease-fire and writing endless reports that the PLO was not initiating any violations; even they knew about it. - http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-1982-zionists-deny-guilt.html#post1061913391 But, after having seen all of these, Drew continues to question the validity of this collection of referenced sources, and to doubt the well-established fact (looks upward) that it was the Habib cease-fire which was calming conflict on the Lebanon-Israel border. *SIGH* What do you call someone who causes these sorts of provocative disruptions? [So as not to contaminate the "Sabra and Shantilla Massacre" thread, I copied my reply to an on-topic position, here: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=313440&page=33&p=1063146326#post1063146326
I have to state <publicly> that I just love your retort Drew.... I might not be that articulate in English but you nailed its pretentiousness right on the head. The PLO broke the cease fire and not Israel...
My goodness you do go on about nothing Klip. I asked for a link to the "Habib Understanding" which you just began talking about in desparation to deflect the fact youcan't come up with the terms of the 'Habib Ceasefire' and you link to people who talk about the Habib Ceasefire which you have yet to supply us with the terms of. So, stop wriggling and provide the terms of this Ceasefire please, is it too much to ask that you substantiate your wild silly claims?
I don't give a toss what you asked for. I am not your research assistant. You go find it and prove me wrong. Do you have any response to my mountain of evidence that all of the serious players were extremely well aware that it was the Habib ceasefire that was at stake and that Drew the Doubter is the only voice of dissent in town. THAT should suggest something to you Drew. As for my evidence being wild and silly ----- pure unadulterated trolling. Insulting, non-repsonsive and disruptive. Reported. But I don't hope for much reaction.
When? Details please (Erskine Childers) Was Porath, the eminent Israeli historian of the time, a liar? I will be watching for your reply and remind you if it is not forthcoming.
Klipklap! Don't get angry, just get the terms of the Habib Conversation/Negotiation/Understanding/Ceasefire or whatever it is you are calling it today to prove that the Palestinians didn't break the UN Ceasefire which even you acknowledged they were following. See, you were the one who said they were following those terms (even though you said they were following the terms of the other go figure) so it is up to you to provide your own proof so please, get an assistant if this is too much for you to handle. As for the rest of the window dressing, we can deal with all that once you prove the turd you deposited here.
I'm in Devon actually-you'll note the small flag, top right. Scottish slang; where? I'm "singling out Israel" because, guess what, this thread is about Sabra and Shatila and Israel's involvement in the massacre. If you want to start another thread on other atrocities feel free and I'll gladly contribute.
Oh, and nobody in The City of London (as opposed to Greater London) says "seppos" unless they're colonials. I'm sure the Thai don't either.
