Sandy Hook families settle for $73M with gun maker Remington

You asked a question ..... and I answered it. It was your analogy, not mine.

 

On the border of Mexico and Texas here.. odd , but everyone has ready access to guns but no crime here, odd especially considering the blood thirsty cartels just across the border who kill if a Mexican looks at them askance, lotsa a murders,

the average Mexican isn't allowed a gun, Mexico has very strict gun laws.

 

Do we own guns because America is not safe?
Is America not safe because we own guns?

 

We agree 100% on the fact that crazy people, problem people, people with psychological ailments should be kept from having guns. I would believe you would find nearly 100% of Americans would agree on that. But... that is only agreement on the problem. The solution to that problem is where people disagree. Do we take all the guns from everyone to prevent a few nutjobs from having them? I say no. I believe the real problem is, once we identify those problem people, we do little or nothing to prevent them from getting firearms. Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, had first been diagnosed with problems at the age of 3 yet his mother bought guns and let him have access to them. Seventeen years later.......

 

But my offer was genuine.

 

Hell if we would just make some SMALL attempt to disarm the ghettos, thugs, illegal and gangs of their illegal weaponry would reduce our numbers tremendously!!!!

But the DNC will have none of that in their precious voter/voting farms..

 

I am slowly getting a handle on it. I have most of the pieces and an awful lot comes down to that deliberate “sell”. The Tobacco playbook set the scene for a few unethical industries such as climate change denialism and the gun lobby

Google meme NRA Myths and hit “image” for an insight into this

 

America has very very sadly entered a civil war with itself and I am not talking left or right or even black versus white (although if someone does not shut Tucker up that may be a possibility) it is law abiding versus criminal. People got more guns for defence so criminals started carrying more guns. The gun death rate is so high that there is no way that it is not overwhelming police. Here it is RARE for crimes to carry guns because they are hard to get. In fact at one point apparently you could only “hire” assault rifles for armed robbery and if you shot someone with it you owned it. The black market for assault rifles here is in the thousands. Doesn’t mean there is no armed robbery as people have used everything from pocket knives to dirty syringes.

 

And again we have to ask what was the role of gun mythology in this as she used to take him out shooting targets to “soothe” him. And yes target practice might soothe some but others - not so much

 

If we as Americans would do something about people who break the law they would be locked up and therefore there would be a lot fewer to disarm. We have a term that is in common usage that should never be there "repeat offender". I'm a believer that if you one time beat up an old lady and steal her purse or one time you rob a store with a gun you should be locked away from society.

 

I always argue that it is a people problem and not a gun problem. My reasoning is that an overwhelming majority of gun death, both murder and suicide, are concentrated in specific areas of the population. Murder: the largest percentage of murder victims are young black males. Suicide: the largest percentage of suicide victims are middle aged white males. While it is so very sad that school children shot and killed or or women are murdered by someone who professed to love them, they are still a smaller percentage of the victims of gun violence.

 

No sorry there you are wrong - this is why the biggest tragedy was the “Dickey Amendment” that prevented the CDC from doing the epidemiological studies that would have found answers . The biggest risk factor in shooting and mass shootings is domestic violence

https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-021-00330-0

Adam Lanza killed his mother before he went on the rampage

 

It is the common excuse for shooters to be called mentally disturbed, the logic (partly correct) being that anyone who would do such a thing cannot be of a right mind. I do not believe they are mentally ill, however. Not any more than when your frustration causes you to throw a glass to the floor or punch the steering wheel of your car when it won’t start and you’re in a hurry, or if your wife is nagging non-stop and you leave the room by slamming the door. Pushing people beyond their limit is not necessarily reaching the point of insanity … and it probably isn’t. “Diagnosed with problems”? Yeah well, I routinely took the coin dad gave me and rather than go to church on Sunday to put it into the collection basket I skipped mass and spent the money on sweets. Holy crap! I had “problems”!

Now, the US is a sick nation of unemployment, racial discrimination, poverty, an unsustainable minimum wage, hero-worshipping, rampant inferior complex, and as a consequence a dog-eat-dog mentality. How many more adjectives must I trot out to make my point? That is where your “pushing to the limit” comes from. You can claim that their breaking point is the result of a mentally unstable diagnosis if you like but an angry and frustrated person (each and every one of us) cannot shoot someone without a gun and as difficult as it might be to remove guns from society it is much easier than to implement true democracy in the American way of life. The choice is there but you know as well as I ……..

 

That poverty and discrimination feeds directly into the “black” shooting deaths but again there is the added factor of gun availability.

 

There is so much more. Often, “too much” info serves to confuse and make a diagnosis difficult but not in this case because the facts lead you in one direction without deviance and any falsehoods along the way are so childishly transparent that they cannot be taken seriously. The Sugar playbook is identical to the tobacco one but there is also the fake WMD scare, the post-invasion president claiming, “No one ever suggested Saddam had WMD’s”, nine out of ten doctors recommend ‘X’, etc. etc. etc. The American population is awash in confusion & frustration and they are being told that to doubt the official line is to be an idiot, a moron, a communist, an anti-American, a terrorist sympathiser and a "hater". Let us thank our lucky stars we don’t live there. I did live there for several years and I’ve seen their madness up-close.

 

Yes, in the end, there are these factors to contend with:

PROBLEM
1). Insurmountable frustration.
2). Intimidation.

SOLUTION
1). Finding a discarded envelope at the curb with a million dollars inside.
2). A gun.

 

The fake medical claims are the ones that grind my teeth “Doctors don’t want you to know this simple trick”……..

Australia has a higher standard for truth in advertising - not saying it is perfect - far from it BUT we will take on anyone caught falsely advertising a product. But it is a fine line - always.

The undeniably underlining issue is that few people know how to or can critically analyse anything

BTW if you have time google “Gruen” it is a series of shows on advertising in Australia and many of the episodes are hilarious and informative. “The Pitch” where they get ad agencies to make tongue in cheek fake ads is priceless

https://www.youtube.com/user/gruenhq

you might like the Swedish army ad

 

… and even doctors “on the take” who swear that tobacco and sugar are neither fattening, addict-dependant, or bad for your health in any way at all.

I believe that.

Intentionally “too complicated” for them.
“Trust the professionals!” "They don't lie!"

If I have time? I’ll make time. Right now.

I’m looking forward to it.

 

Well until they get to the truth, like when Australia leaders are taken to task on the treatment of the Aboriginals, forced ghetto's, abortion and Tubal Ligation Australia forced Tubal Ligation of aboriginals - Search (bing.com) And then there is the relocation programs to move them to white families to recondition them to think and act like the more accepted race..

These post get more inaccurate and off topic by the paragraph..

 

One fact you fail to touch on "I understand" is the people that buy firearms for defense, hunting and recreational use do not kill one another.. The criminal "You lend excuse to" kill one another and defenseless victims too..

Now that's is ridiculous

The legal gun owners are the problem LMAO, all we have to do is strip the legal gun owners of their firearms and the criminals will throw theirs away LMFAO

 

I think in these two specific posts we are arguing apples and oranges. If the biggest risk factor is for domestic violence and mass shootings why is it that the majority of murders fall in other categories? My post at #610 was not directed at the crimes of mass murder or domestic violence but at other types of violent crime. Those other violent crimes are where the majority of murders happen.

 

Again this is where there is a huge deficit in research. Obama opened up that research portal again but it is waaaay behind the eight ball. All I can do is quote what research there is

Harvard have done the most research https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

But even they will say that far far more needs to be done. You cannot address the problem without first defining what that problem is.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01966-0

 

So are you suggesting that with more research there may be a discovery that more people are killed in mass shootings and domestic violence than in other violent crimes. Just the number of bodies from violent crimes, other than domestic violence and mass shootings, would suggest this can't be true.

The CDC's National Vital Statistics Report, Deaths: Final Data for 2019 shows 14,414 homicides by discharge of a firearm. Out of the number 12,127 were male and out of that number 8,438 were black males. So 58.5% of the 14K plus murders were black males. Research will show, mostly young, mostly not killed in domestic violence or mass shootings.

BTW, the first line of the Harvard link: Where there are more guns there is more homicide, is blatantly false. It is a fact that states with higher gun ownership have a lower per capita murder rate.

 

I've already answered the question. It's not my fault if you didn't read it.

 

What are you talking about? Can you be more specific, please?