No, but I do consider the laws of the universe to have BEEN created. I'm not just talking about what humans create. The biggest part of science is cause and effect. Without cause, there is no effect.
Which is an assertion that there is no evidence to support. Depends on what you consider cause and effect. Physics is far from cut and dry, so I suggest some text books are in order. Just because you don't understand what exactly the cause is, does not mean god did it.
None of this is right. He wasn't a zombie, its not magic. You are just making it something it isn't to talk down about it. Those things are symbolic of what Jesus did for us. Don't be an idiot.
I don't believe in God because I don't understand, I believe in God because I DO understand. There is no way this is all completely an accident. So what exactly do YOU think happens when we die? You believe that death is the end, and the symbolic human "soul" just ceases to exist. You have to admit there is something within us that is not animal, and far more complicated than any combination of brain waves and chemicals. We have souls.
Well you got part of it right. This is the polar opposite of the image of the image the quoted poster put up. Both images contain a strawman argument. He wasn't a Zombie, but he rose from the dead. It's not magic, it's a miracle. Right? Very much in the same way that Atheism is not the belief that "there was nothing and that nothing came from nothing..." First of all, atheism isn't a belief of any kind, and it just goes further downhill from there. Don't call me an idiot.
He rose from the dead. Zombieism. He performed magic, how is what he did different from a chapter in Harry Potter?
Refer to the anthropic principle concerning the state of the universe. It is entirely possible that everything that exists around us arose from chance. The basic laws of the universe are governed by chance. I know that when we die all brain activity ceases, and after that who knows. I don't know. You don't know. And neither does the Pope. However I will not pretend to know, nor will I make up silly stories and tell people how to live to obtain a favorable afterlife.
Well I am very sorry that you feel that way. Because I DO know. In fact, I have no doubt in my mind no matter what "evidence" you present. Can you honestly say you feel the same? obviously not.
Do you want me to repeat myself? I DO know. I see God everywhere. Just because you don't, doesn't mean you are just automatically right.
You see god everywhere? That is the fallacy "Argument from Ignorance" or "Argument of Incredibility". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance It is not evidence based. Simply saying "well, I can't explain it so god did it". So, no, you don't know.
That's been my experience. When a person turns God off, that's it. It's pointless to argue with anyone who shuts God out. As Jesus said: "If the people in the town will not welcome you, go outside the town and shake their dust off of your feet."
He was a Bishop. He did exist. You are denying history. The guy did exist, but through the centuries and mixing with other cultures have exaggerated him and created the man in the red suit. I don't believe that Santa is really still alive flying all over the world. I believe in his tradition and perpetuating his deeds by giving gifts at Christmas (to include giving to the needy). You know I don't follow fundamentalist Christianity so don't pull that on me Viv. I have in no way sought to push for selfish survival. Just this last year I have given near $2,000 to charity, plus donating food.
Trying to argue about this is really pointless. Essentially, my point is that poster is very offensive to people who happen to be christian. Imagine if you had something very important to you and someone spoke of it such a way. As much as you hate Christians trying to shove christianity down your throat, you must understand the street can go both ways. I mean no disrespect towards atheists as a whole, only the ones who like to go out of their way to attack christianity.
I do not protect my thoughts or ideas under the veil of untouchable belief. So no, I wouldn't be offended. I pity those who do find it offensive, its a cartoon. I usually reserve my "offense" to more important things. There is a red x in the upper right hand corner of the browser for those who find things too offensive to laugh at. The thread title is rather obvious, "Santa vs. God".
You have felt the need to defend atheism just the way i felt the need to defend my beliefs. So you cannot tell me you just don't care. It was posted on a public forum, so I added my opinion,
That would be contrary to your thread,,do not mix up a Creator with religion, they are not the same... God is,,,or is not whatever he is, Religion is what somebody else says he is.... To me a Creator may make perfect sense, yet somebody telling me not to eat meat on Friday is absurd...same thing with Gays..... The Bible was written by man,,not God. It is said these men were inspired by God,,my question is,,,were they really listening? or did they hear what they wanted to hear, what made sense to them... I believe in God,,I feel him in the forest, when it's quiet,,I hear him in my heart during Holidays, I hear him when I play my guitar, when I sing, or when I look in my children's eyes...and I am grateful. I am grateful for all I have and were given, and he gives me comfort when I am upset....works for me... Some people believe in Cows.......I do not think a cow could have made the Universe, but that's me... Could it all have been just an accident? Perhaps, but something inside tells me different...and I'm glad... Is it any more silly to say it's just all an accident? I would think so...but it's your dime...
You mean "What is your science without a creator?". Be honest. You mean "Tell me, how much would man have created without a creator to create it? ". This is a theory, a hypothesis. Although it has been re-created now in Labs. A more sensible question would be: "why do you think it is possible for a creator, for which we have no evidence, create life? ". Yes. Billions and billions of years of mutations, some giving the mutated organism a survival advantage, some giving the mutated organism a survival disadvantage. Well this, or a being that we've no evidence of whatsoever, creating everything in 6 days and resting on the 7th. Not at all. And if he did "nudge us along", he seemed to have nudged us into being the most violent species ever created. But I guess you folks write this off with the "god works in mysterious ways" mantra. Yes he's a good god, but he did let the young Austrian girl get raped by her father for 20 years, in the celler of his house, with no windows. I wonder how much she prayed and why he didn't intervene? But yes, god works in mysterious ways and loves us all so much that he stands by while many people live lives of shear hell on earth.
Of all the planets we can observe, that we only know of one that is in the "goldilocks zone", and inhabits life? It's not an accident; it's a consequence of chance.
