Science in the Bible---that only prove Bible is the words of our Creator!!!

1) Daniel prediction the exact year of Israel's return, 1948, using 688AD as the ground breaking day for the construction of the Dome of the Rock and his reference to 1260 years, i.e.; 688 + 1260 = 1948.

In Dan 12:11-12, Daniel predicts the return to Jerusalem as Capital of Israel, where he uses the date the Rock of the Dome was finished, 690AD and his refence to 1290 years, i.e.; 690 + 1290 = 1980AD.


2) It is possible that UFO are explicitly described in scripture so we need to keep an open mind:





As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud with a fire enveloping it and flashing continually; a brightness was about it and out of the midst of it there seemed to glow amber metal, out of the midst of the fire.

5 And out of the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures [or cherubim]. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man,

15 Now as I was still looking at the living creatures, I saw one wheel upon the ground beside each of the living creatures with its four faces.

16 As to the appearance of the wheels and their construction: in appearance they gleamed like chrysolite; and the four were formed alike, and their construction work was as it were a wheel within a wheel.

17 When they went, they went in one of their four directions without turning [for they were faced that way].

18 As for their rims, they were so high that they were dreadful, and the four had their rims full of eyes round about.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

 

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How other than by recording history can a sociological prediction be evaluated?
In fact, it is in hind sight that we realize all science prediction come to past, isn't it.

After the experiment, for instance, we SEE the results as confirming the scientific predictions of our theory???

 

Wde set our watches today by it, don't we...?

Science insists the Universe is 13.5 billion years old, right?


Some people misunderstand what a Singularity means, so I often have comments to the effect that something existed before the big bang expansion "began," ( still can't avoid the word even here).
But sit though it may have, this Universe and the Space/Time it implies began at some certain point with that Big Bang.

 

"The winds from the west shall push him to the destination of connection between the mid sun and the setting of the sun."

What does that mean? It is only predictive in hindsight. You can only halfway attribute it to things after the fact.

I could I say "I am going to ride my bike with a tail wind to the Post Office this afternoon". That is specific and predictive. It operates outside of hindsight.

 

I seems logical that a prediction is only verified by the history that will unfold in the future.

I think you are saying you believe all predictions are just so vague we cannot really know what was predicted, exactly, and hence we can find some event in the future that fits the need.

But this is not so.
As with Daniel 12, the actual dates when things happen were expressed in the prophecy.

And, things like "This gospel shall be preached over all the world" was quite a boast in 32AD.

 

I can say the Gospel of Tool will be preached all over the world and be right.

It does not mean I can see the future.

 

Well this is just a whole lot of nonsense, that last part being the best. Its hard to decide where to begin because to be honest you are making a stronger case against yourself than perhaps I could.

Oh man that first sentence...."I never deny that history and it is becoming a thing of the past..." I love it.

And I really love this one..."We are forced to open our mind and it turns out a good thing

Of course the best part about this is that you trash on the scientists who have done the actual science as if they don't know what they are talking about but then you use their science to try and prove your ridiculous ideas true.

What does this mean?

Is there a language barrier I should be aware of because it seems you have a problem with comprehension.

I've studied the ancient alien theory for over a decade because I enjoy mythology and I can tell you-you don't understand it. The ancient alien theory states that there is no God, no angels, no demons. That when aliens, just regular beings from other planets visited earth in the past the people thought of them as Gods, angels, or demons.

You don't seem to understand religion, science or the ancient alien theory.

 

Yep. It should be obvious...

 

Nonsense , google's first hit produced this :


:Daniel 12:11-12
New International Version (NIV)

11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

More comments - explanations are here - read it and then tell me where is the prediction of Israel's return in 1948 ?


:http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1260_1290_1335.html


also see Is the time period recorded in Daniel 12 literal or prophetic?


http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1335_prophetic.html

 

You got some problems with your math and history, bro.

You're using 2 dates for Dome of the Rock, 688 and 690. Looks like you are forcing once of those dates to make your math line up. Not being truthful, iow.

Also, nothing important happened in 1980 regarding Jerusalem. Why don't you just keep your Dome dates consistent at 688?

That'll give you the date of 1978, when the Camp David accords were signed. Even then, it's not good to pick events and try to make the bible match, but at least something relevant happened.

And you are using years, too and Daniel aint talking about years. It says "months. "

No offense, bro, but you seem like a million others who just cherrypick things and twist it to say what you want.

 

Name one thing other than God that don't have a beginning. That don't mean that there wasn't a thing before it.

I don't misunderstand the singularity before the Big Bang. I might be a hick, but I aint a dumb-(*)(*)(*)(*).

We don't know if something existed before, but everything else that had a beginning had something come before it, right? That's what we know and there aint a good reason to decide otherwise until there's some proof.

 

Why jump to the conclusion that 1) there is a God and 2) that it had no beginning? In the end, it comes down to because some ancient Jewish scribes said so.

Let's be reasonable here. What came before the big bang? Who knows. It's one of the deepest mysteries we can probe. I'm just annoyed that people smugly plug something called "God" into this and other gaps in current understanding.

 

Yep...

The Dome was begun in 688AD.
At that moment the abomination covered the site of the room where the High Priest went every year for centuries to speak directly with God.

That date is used to establish the beginning of the New Israel in 1948.

The Dome was finished in 690AD, as was the reestablishment of Iwsrael finished when Jerusalem again became its capital city.

I used that date plus the 1290 "days" to calculate the date 1980.

We KNOW that the Hebrew word (yowm) used for "day" here, can actually mean various durations depending upon the context (see the dictionary below).



Since daniel wrote his prophecy in 600BC, and Jesus reminded us again, in 32AD, to look for this to come true, we can be sure that yowm means years, as used here, not days.

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

 

No.

Our scientists argued the point intensely long before Hubble found the evidence to support the Universe having a specific beginning.

Before then, there wereat least three hypothesis on the table.

1) The Pulsating Universe

2) The Big Bang Beginning

3) The Constant State theory (always there in a constant state of change)

The Bible went on record and named the correct theory we accept today.

 

Yep.

When the women are given license to trade their sexual favors for benefits coming their way, the matriarchy that rises up takes their jobs, the homes, and demands alimony and support while they go back to trading.

The boys that are raised by these single mothers on welfare and/or the divorcees become the girlie-men we see everywhere, while those who have not turn a little "queer," sexually, are the brutes who hit woman and rob us all as they represent the criminal element.

 

I know some queers that wouldn't think twice about knocking a fellow out. Some queers are more manly than you'd ever hope to be.

And they come from all backgrounds. Are you blaming your own homosexuality on your divorced mom or something?

My mom got divorced and I aint queer. Wouldn't matter if I were, but I'm not. Orientation don't have nothing to do with marriage status of parents. And just cause I aint queer don't mean I hit women, either, jackass.

 

That's what I'm saying, brother!

Now, I believe in God, but I aint got no proof. It's just something I choose to believe. If you aint got proof, then believe me, it is a choice. It aint justified, but I want to believe anyway, cause I like the idea of it. It would be nice if there was a God, so I just act like there is. That's why.

But if you want me to go knocking on doors, forget it! Why try to convince others of something as TRUTH, when you aint got no proof? That's just asshattery.

Can I get an AMEN!

 

Actually, bro, according to the records of the Arabs who built it, it began being built in 69 AH (689 AD) and was finished in 72 AH (692 AD) so neither of your dates works for ya, whether you use days, months or years.

And I already told you that nothing special happened in 1980, anyway and the 1948 date don't work to fulfill prophesy cause the old (important part) Jerusalem was occupied by Turks till 1967. The Jews didn't have their capital in 1948, no matter how much people have started pointing to 1948 in the last 20 years to try to "prove" scripture.

Historically, and mathematically, the dates and events don't line up.

 

Even very poorly educated people often know better than to state something as fact, even though it is something you can not possibly know, as you just did. "But even the most educated people in those period don't know the earth is floating in the space," That is a lie because you are claiming to know something that 1.you do not know and 2.you can not possibly know because you weren't there and the only writings we have from that time ARE the books of the Bible. SHEESH people THINK.

 

Must be talking about white single mothers producing girlie men. Black single mothers regularly produce superb athletes and hardened criminals, not what you would call girlie men.

 

Right.

Girlie men? What are girlie men?

 

Man 1: So I heard you married an independent woman.

Man 2: yep.

Man 1: And she's smart?

Man 2: yep.

Man 1: And has her own career?

Man 2: yep.

Man 1: What are you gonna do?

Man 2: I don't have a choice, I'm gonna have to start playing video games.

 

I am so relieved to see that this is an epidemic and not my fault. I married a strong, independent, career woman. I had big dreams of becoming a bigtime entrepreneur... ran my own business for a while, but things did not work out so well. Her career, however, has been on the rise of late and, although I am very proud (and relieved!), I can't help but feel that I am not doing my part as a man.

I have returned to school to follow my passion of physics and engineering. My love of math is what turned me onto business... figured the accounting would come naturally, but there really are no great math skills required for accounting. Science was always a hobby, and I am hopeful I can find some role to play.

But the thing is, it might look to someone else like I'm just chasing dragons, jumping from one hairbrained scheme to the next, while my girl brings home the bacon and supports me. And, well, that may be what's happening.

I'm just relieved it is a national epidemic and there is nothing wrong with me personally.

 

You are right, of course.

Before the Age of Enlightenment, science was founded upon Rationalism.
Tha Age of Rationalism assumed that thinking could make proper sense of everything.
The best argument about Cause and Effect was considered to be the right Science on whatever the matter under discussion might have been.


In the day of Galilleo and Newton and Descartes, and especially men like Kepler, observations, empirical evidence, under a controlled labortory set up established Facts which one's peers could also "see" if they checked it out.

This was the moment in time when the Scientific Method change Science for the better forever.