SEAL Team 6: "Bin Laden not a kill mission."

Hardly sounds like harboring sport, tell me what city and safe house was he put in? Oh that's right rather than harboring this person the U.S. courts found him civilly liable and when he refused to pay up his re-entry visa was revoked. FAIL!

He was successfully sued for $54 million dollars, hardly sounds like harboring to me. Have there been any Salvadoran extradition requests?

He was likewise successfully sued for $54 million dollars and is now in the process of being deported, once again hardly sounds like harboring and was there any extradition requests from El Salvador?

He was being held in Federal Prison and was only released after El Salvador after their Supreme Court withdrew their extradition request there have been no further extradition requests and in fact it was the U.S. courts who found him civilly liable under the Alien Tort Claims Act and the Torture Victim Protection Act as the U.S. courts do not have the authority to try him in criminal proceedings.

Well considering that they were successfully sued for tens of millions of dollars and deported I would say no because you failed on all four counts.

 

Seemed like anti terrorist commentary to me.

Of course youre in the camp of "ones mans terrorist" right....which is why Hamas and the Taliban are held in such high regard by you. Of course the problem youll have is explaining away how it is the 'freedom fighters' actually doing most of the slaughtering of the indiginous people they claim to be 'liberating'.

 

All were living, quite freely, in America. Why were they even permitted residence in your country? It's you who have failed Herr Doktor-unless you can explain the difference between being allowed to live in your community and harbouring. The 'safe house' was America itself.

Here's a couple more you entertained; Jose Dionisio Suarez Esquivel and Virgilio Paz Romero, both convicted for the notorious car-bomb murder in Washington of Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier, former associate of Salvador Allende. Instead of being deported upon release from prison, they were allowed to settle into the good life in Miami.

 

Ah, ' indicted '. That must be New Klanspeak for ' guilty '.

 

Well ,it wasnt a kill mission we agree, he was being apprehended and things got sticky for him. Oh well.

Funny rhetoric coming from the antisemite who claimed the Palestinians slaughter of the Fogel family (mom,dad, 3 month ,4 year and 11 year old kids) was just part of doing business in the WB.

 

Anti-American genocidal dictators = good, pro-American democracies = puppets.

 

They weren't pro-American until you foisted 'democracy' on them. Look at the farcical 'governments' in Iraq and Afghanistan for classic examples of corrupt, unstable and totally inept administrations rife with factional in-fighting.
Did you ask them if they wanted democracy? No, you told them they had to be democratic. If coercive tactics like that are 'democratic' I'd love to know what you think fascism is.

 

And under what law could the U.S. have prosecuted them criminally? There were no extradition requests from their home countries so we weren't harboring anyone, you sir have failed.

Under what grounds were they to be denied entry into the U.S. at the time? Were they under indictment in Guatemala or El Salvador? No? In fact it was the U.S. Courts who actually have brought a small measure of justice for the families of their victims.

Harboring would mean that someone was actively seeking their prosecution, there were no extradition requests, the U.S. on the other hand has made it quite clear that we wanted Bin Laden to stand trial for his crimes, tell me who had indicted these 4 men of crimes? No one that's who.

lmfao they were both successfully criminally prosecuted by the U.S. courts, and you call that harboring? Uber fail!

 

Why weren't they deported? Doesn't America habitually deport foreign nationals after conviction and imprisonment?

I'm amazed you're even attempting to defend these examples of American duplicity in permitting known murderers and torturers to live freely among you. The extradition schtick is a complete red-herring and you know it. You just can't bear for your precious country's moral hypocrisy to be aired in public.

 

Very true. I also believe the big party around the White House after the news came out was planned in advanced.

 

Using a bit of common sense here.. but if they simply wanted Osama dead they would have sent in a drone or perhaps sent in covert snipers to take him out. They would not have flown in two choppers of elite fighting men to go in and surgically assassinate him.

 

Your suggestion is idiocy, not "common sense",

That was Bush's strategy to get Hussein, which he implemented dozens of times, killing all manner of families and neighborhoods and never knowing if he got Hussein or not until Hussein popped up somewhere else.

Where would we be if we blew the hell out of a number of Pakistani neighborhoods in a BIG, military city, instead of just doing it in small villages like we had been? REAL common sense would dictate we would either be at war with a nuclear power (Pakistan), or while Bin Laden would have been warned, and picked up and left AGAIN.

And Hussein was NOT trying to cloak himself as thoroughly as Bin Laden did.

 

What I see are two countries that were headed by two of the most brutal regimes of the latter half of the 20th century which were given the opportunity for popular sovereignty and self determination at the ballot box, and Iraq has had all of their elections declared free and fair, as to Afghanistan well at least their government isn't shooting women in the head in soccer stadiums anymore.

They created and ratified through national referendum their own Constitution and elected their own governments.

Nobody forced them to the ballot boxes at the point of a gun, and fascism would be akin to the governments which were overthrown and which you wish were still in power.

 

They were being held in Federal Prison awaiting deportation following their convictions however, the SCOTUS ruled that prisoners can only be held up to 6 months if they were not appealing the deportation proceedings, they did not contest said proceedings and to the best of my knowledge have since been deported, do you have any evidence to the contrary? Thought not.

How so exactly? Who were these men being harbored from buddy? No one was seeking their extradition and the only courts to have ever tried to bring justice for the families of their victims were U.S. courts, that is the exact antithesis of harboring, you're not very good at this are you?

You (*)(*)(*)(*)ing failed, far from harboring these men the U.S. sentenced them to lengthy prison sentences once again the antithesis to harboring them.

 

A drone strike is quite effective and based off the intelligence gatherd, we knew exactly where he was. Would have been just as easy so send in a drone and take out the whole building. Osama would have been much more worth to us alive than dead. Imagine the massive amounts of intelligence we could have received from him by capturing him. Obviously there was some type of resistance and a confrontational struggle which lead to him being shot. I doubt, with as virolent as his anti western speeches we're q he would go down without a fight.

 

You can use semantic dodges as much as you like, but the fact remains that America allowed convicted foreign murderers and torturers to live openly among you. Fact.
I have a long, long list of foreign criminals, torturers, murderers and human rights violators openly living in America and enjoying American hospitality, and Cuba, for one, has repeatedly sought the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles-a Cuban anti-Communist and former CIA agent, to give just one example, who was acquitted of all charges by, guess what, a US court.

 

Do the IRA not count? Their supporters and IRA members openly collected funds in the streets of New York and Chicago to finance the IRA operations in the UK mainland. Even one of your politicians supported the IRA.

 

True

No, even the "official" record says that he did not offer resistance and was unarmed. Are you seriously stating that an unarmed diabetic 54 year old man put up a fight against the Seals?

 

Good god you're freaking ridiculous they were not convicted of anything until the U.S. itself convicted them either civilly or criminally in the cases where criminal acts were committed on U.S. soil, catch a clue.

He has been acquitted by a jury of his peers in the U.S. courts which are free and fair unlike those of the tyrannical governments of Venezuela and Cuba which seek his extradition where he will be tortured, put in front of a kangaroo court, and most likely executed. Oh and there is no evidence that he was working on behalf of the CIA.

 

Which IRA?......

 

I reveled in it because it took phoney Bush a couple trilllion dollars and 7,000 lives to fail at what Obama accomplished with a couple helicopters and a handful of tough guys.

I was unaware that it occurred on the anniversary of "Mission Accomplished". Now I have something else to revel in.

And I'm also reveling in the FACT that if Bush (and not Obama) had killed bin Laden, you boys would be reveling in it too. I guess it's just a jealousy thang, eh?

 

Seriously?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_campaign_1969–1997

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/aug/02/northernireland.rosiecowan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Sinn_Féin

 

Once again the record that the SEALs gave who were the only ones to know for sure is that he did resist and was trying to grab for his AK when he was fired upon.

 

You have muttled together the Real IRA, Provisional IRA, and Sinn Fein which is a legitimate political party which is precisely why I asked you the question of "which IRA?" now show me which U.S. Congressmen has openly endorsed the Provisional IRA and/or the Real IRA rather than Sinn Fein.

 

Bin Laden's wife was a witness. Your crap is past its sell-by date. Anyway, the SEAL team is dead, wiped out by a Taliban hit-squad when they shot down their transport.