SEAL Team 6: "Bin Laden not a kill mission."

Peter King for one.
“If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation, it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the I.R.A. for it.”

Collections are still made now in US Irish pubs. Where do you think the money goes?

IRA rebels kill 2 British soldiers near Belfast
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-03-...thern-ireland-real-ira-ulster-volunteer-force

"The Real IRA have vowed to kill more police officers in Northern Ireland – and told the Queen her visit to the Republic is an ‘insult’.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Re...police-officers--120691314.html#ixzz1di7Xw4ps

And below is the hypocrisy:
U.S. COURT BLOCKS I.R.A. EXTRADITION
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/13/world/us-court-blocks-ira-extradition.html

 

Which record was that then?

 

And what is even funnier about this new report by Pfarrer is that in another forum, I raised the same problems with the original report and I was attacked by so many US pro-government supporters as being a conspiracist!

 

Dang don't strain yourself with that long detailed analysis! As I said all governments that has the power does these things. Look at Cuba , or any number of Marxist start ups funded and lavished upon by the now defunct USSR or China. I look at the USA as the lesser of evils when it comes to governments. However I am a pepper and a survivalist, I trust no government nor do I think any of mans governments are very moral, they can‘t be and survived in this dog eat dog world. In fact part of the reason I founded a section of my church and mission was anti government, and the reason I prep is in part because I do not trust my government. I fear other governments or natural catastrophe, much more than government goons, but all are a threat.

Don’t forget your own country (england) is a western USA type system, different government same thinktank. England does have less personal freedoms and a more stagnate economy, so when you run down the USA you are doing the same to your homeland. I for practical reasons, feel that the dirty tricks of the CIA and NSA etc are necessary. I do fear them because they can ignore most laws of the land and are a threat to personal freedom. So the problem is how to allow these black Ops to operate as necessary for national security, but have accountability to the people and not become a Gestapo like organizations. No one or no organization should be above the law when it comes to USA citizens.

BTW (a short digression please?) ; The civil unrest in Greece and Europe in general will eventually come to the USA. I fully expect marshal law to be applied to all of these states and nations. I predicted that the European Common Market would fail, probably because of the Euro and some member nations not being able to meet financial standards and being ejected from the EU. When that happens I expect civil war to engulf much of Europe. The destabilizing effect would have a domino effect on the world banking and such. The unrest will be contained by a very charismatic leader I would wager, which is nothing like he seems. Anyway before the complete failure of the EU etc all effected governments as they fail will become far more controlling; if we citizens are not prepared we will be in a situation far worse than the great depression. I would say that around the end of next year is the date to watch. Buy as much food as you can afford and buy some silver or gold to protect yourself and your family. (end of digression)

Rev A

 

Take your pick-they're all murderous scum.

 

We agree for once! All terrorists are scummy murderous hairballs such as Hamas and Al-Qaeda the IRA and AOG ETC. Ha ha~. However I would have added cowardly to the descriptive list. Legal participants of war despite its repulsive and immoral nature follow some rules. Terrorism is completely different, and is even more repulsive and immoral than war fought for unrighteous reasons in my opinion.

Rev A

 

Again which IRA? Attacking an army Barracks in a war of independence is not an act of terrorism it is a military strike.

A) Source?

B) Not exactly the same thing as state sponsorship of terrorism or harboring a known terrorist now is it?

How many civilians is he accused of killing intentionally? And yes in this country we have a Constitutional block to Ex Post Facto legislation.

 

You're thinking of the Black and Tans gunning down civilians on Bloody Sunday, the Provisional IRA targeted military and economic targets and called ahead to warn civilians in the areas before detonating their bombs and were generally interested in a equitable and lasting peace and once acceptable terms were met by the British occupiers and Sinn Fein the Provos laid down their arms.

 

lmfao the story told by the SEALs who conducted the operation derp derp derp, read the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing OP before you pop off at the mouth.

 

Her credibility and that of all Islamist swine is 0. You would take Ava Brawn at her word if she was sufficiently anti-American.

 

Her credibility and that of all Islamist swine is 0. You would take Ava Brawn at her word if she was sufficiently anti-American.

Smoking that good crack eh?

 

Bin Laden's wife was a witness.

 

I never knew that shopping centres, underground stations, tv presenters, christmas shoppers, pubs and hotels were military targets killing and injuring 1000 plus civilians. 30 minute warning to a random huge shopping centre containing thousands of Christmas shoppers you think is ok!!!!!!

 

Was Major Malik Nadal Hasan a terrorist?

Afghanistan did not carry out 911. Bin Laden was living in Afghanistan in just the same way that IRA members were living openly in the US. So, yes, exactly the same thing.

Irrelevant. he is wanted on charges of attempted murder. How many people did Bin Laden personally kill?

 

Onlye a traitor to the (a) US SEALS vow to silence and (b) US government would believe Pferrer was told about the events of the raid by the SEALS that carried out the raid.

Pfarrer claims he is still part of the fighting SEAL network, even intimating that he was part of the bin Laden raid preparation.

"In the weeks and months leading up to Neptune's Spear (the code name for the bin Laden mission), it was my privilege to help troops and platoons train for submissions and run parallel HVT (high-value target) missions," Pfarrer writes.

"That is categorically incorrect," spokesman Nye said of the passage. "He was not involved in mission planning, execution or close mission analysis."

Two senior military officials with knowledge of the raid seconded that denial. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to speak to the media.

Pfarrer deflected that criticism, saying he was conducting training for the SEAL Team 6's parent organisation, the Naval Special Warfare Command, through his defence security company Acme Ballistics. He refused to describe how closely such training was related to the raid, saying the contracts are classified.

That is Pfarrer's frequent refrain when asked for proof of his controversial claims: that the accounts are from a top secret world only he has access to and that a reader must take his word on faith.

But Pfarrer gets a multitude of facts wrong in describing events that are part of the public record. For instance, Pfarrer states that Obama appointed McRaven as the first Navy SEAL to head JSOC in April of this year. McRaven was actually appointed to that post in early 2008 by President George W Bush. He states that the Army Special Forces Green Berets were established in 1962, instead of 1952. When US special operations forces rehearsed for the famous Son Tay Raid in Vietnam in 1970, they trained at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, not Offutt in Nebraska.

And a jet bombing run, not a drone strike, killed Iraqi al-Qaeda ringleader Abu Musab al Zarqawi in 2006.

A series of special operations leaders have stepped forward to say Pfarrer is at best misinformed and at worst a profiteering self-promoter.

"The reaction is stunning, chagrined, disappointment," said retired SEAL Rear Admiral George Worthington.

"This is exactly the sort of thing the special operations community does not need," added retired Navy SEAL Captain Rick Woolard, known for commanding some of the most elite units, and a contemporary of Pfarrer's.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/osama-bin-laden-raid-seal-book-a-lie-20111116-1nhta.html

 

Originally Posted by mapleleafer8
and im supposed to believe everything the U.S government tells me even though they never stop lying?

DOCTOR reply: Lying is not the same thing as initial reporting being factually incorrect, they were waiting for a thorough debriefing from the SEAL team and giving the facts as best they knew them as they had them.

You sure changed your tune!!!!

 

I think the telling part of the raid was :

and when they burst into Bin Laden's room, his wife screamed: 'No, no, don't do this... it’s not him!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uck-Pfarrer-book-categorically-incorrect.html

Now we know why no body was ever shown to the public. He died years ago.

 

An interesting thought. Certainly enough to spike The Doctor's dreary anti-muslim pseudo-patriotic inarticulate outpourings . Thanks for posting.

 

Of course Bin Laden's wife would never lie.

Face it, he died May 1st from a .223 double tap. He was identified by DNA testing. His body was prepped and unceremoniously dumped in the ocean. Even his al Qaeda underlings admitted that we got him.

 

His wife would lie, of course, if it meant she could protect him. And if she didn't try to protect him, I hate to think what would have happened to her when the Navy Seals left.

I don't like the fact that we have no body to look at, and no proof at all that shows he is dead. I don't like having to take the word of someone else. I like seeing the evidence for myself.

 

I too wondered why the body was dumped at sea! What if the seals handed Ben L. a few hundred mil and the ultimate witness protection plan ? It’s not that far out of an idea. We helped a number of Nazis after WW2 to relocate, which is repulsive in the extreme! (even if saving them was mandatory for national security, the ends do not justify the means). As far as Ben Laden goes, the only thing that remotely makes sense is that the USA did not want his remains becoming a rallying point a target or a religious icon etc.

Rev A

 

You mean by AQ? I'd imagine the SEALs would have taken her into custody irregardless of what she did or didnt say or do. She is lucky to be alive considering using a person as a human shield means that OBL could have also been hiding and aiming a weapon from behind her.

 

A witness with a rather dubious agenda.

 

How is a market full of shoppers an 'economic target'? What utter crap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing#Preparation_and_warnings And the Remembrance Day bombing? Designed purely to kill civilians http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

The Black and Tans were not involved in Bloody Sunday-a bit tricky that, because they were disbanded in 1922. The British army Parachute Regiment was involved in those killings.