Segregation. Is it the answer?

Exactly what is it that you are afraid of here?

Are you afraid that blacks might get equal education or health care or equal treatment by our justice system?

Are you afraid that blacks might get representation equal to their numbers?

You ARE afraid of something happening due to misperception of the situation as you claim in this post.

So, the next step is to hear about what you are afraid will happen.

 

I'm afraid you'll come up with a more moronically lame series of straw Men to try to smear me with..... Keep going, I'm sure you can best yourself.

 

First of all, the idea that poverty is a choice is nonsense. Poverty is a result of a range of factors. Many of those factors do affect those who aren't minorities, but the confluence of systemic racism is a headwind that is specific to minorities. It comes from unequal education, representation, employment opportunity, our justice system (as it disproportionally labels blacks with arrests for nonsense), etc.

Also, racism erodes faith in our system. Increasing headwinds do cause more to see our system as the enemy, as an insurmountable blockade.

Beyond that, the Brookings report I cited pointed to ways to improve our banking system for black individuals and businesses.

 

?? You keep intimating that something bad is going to happen.

But, you won't say what it is.

I can take you more seriously if you actually have a concern about moving to reduce racism.

 

Education is the same. They have the same education system anyone else has and they have affirmative action on top of that. They do not have the same attendance and grades and again that’s a personal problem not mine. Poverty is a choice and it’s a choice of morons.

As far as blacks being arrested more often they also commit crimes at higher rates. So being arrested at higher rates only makes sense.

They have the same employment opportunities so long as they are educated enough for the same position.

 

I agree with none of this. And, strongly doubt that you can support any of it.

 

How many times do you want to go round and round? You mentioned black people being unsafe in a white neighborhood and I simply mentioned that white people are far more unsafe in a black neighborhood.

A fact that I noticed that you have not attempted to deny. But you have however, tried to turn it back on me several times and act like I support racism because I pointed that out.

I support people pulling their heads out of the sand and paying attention to reality.

But it doesn't look like I'm gaining any traction with this effort. The sand is just too deep and the tires don't have enough tread.

You can present facts to people but you cannot force them to understand them. That's something you'll have to do all by yourself.

 

Seriously?

I think you've just provided a good example as to why so many of these discussions grind to a halt so quickly without making any progress; we don't have the same dictionary, worldview, and in this case, history.

If you are going to argue that the Soviet Union didn't fall, or it only fell cosmetically, and that Russia is as much a communist state as it was 40 years ago, then there is literally NO basis to have any discussion about...anything.

 

I've repeatedly pointed out that reducing racism is the issue.

Pointing out more cases of racism is fine, but it doesn't help with figuring out how to reduce racism.

 

I've said nothing about Russian history.

This thread is about segregation as a proposed solution to US racism.

 

You have an offered any solutions but allegations.

 

I can prove my point easier than you could disprove them


“In discussing who commits crime, any discussion of race and ethnicity is bound to arouse controversy because of the possibility of racial and ethnic stereotyping. But if we can say that men and younger people have relatively high crime rates without necessarily sounding biased against individuals who are male or younger, then it should be possible to acknowledge that certain racial and ethnic groups have higher crime rates without sounding biased against them.

Keeping this in mind, race and ethnicity do seem to be related to criminal offending. In particular, much research finds that African Americans and Latinos have higher rates of street crime than non-Latino whites. For example, although African Americans comprise about 13 percent of the US population, they account for about 39 percent of all arrests for violent crime (see Figure 8.4 “Race and Arrest for Violent Crime (Percentage of All Violent Crime Arrests)”).”

https://open.lib.umn.edu/socialproblems/chapter/8-3-who-commits-crime/

 

Yeah, that's a long list.

It starts with education. We need to be more able to identify the problems.

Then, solutions start arriving. For example, my cite of Brookings includes solutions in banking.

 

You literally just posted this today

 

As far as education. They do have the same free public schools as everyone else. They have the lowest literacy rate, and the lowest attendance next to native americans

supporting articles

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/the-racial-gap-in-attendance-and-absenteeism-in-public-schools/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States#NAEP


Attendance and absentee is a personal choice. Their community does not value school they value the streets

 

There are very few liberals willing to actually acknowledge that reality instead of attack the person who gives the message.

If they were really concerned about stereotypes based on such elevated statistics they would be focusing on how to help that segment of the community reduce their numbers that are so overrepresented in such statistics.

Instead of doing that it's just easier to call anyone who points out reality a racist.

Maybe eventually, they will read more about it.

 

Biology has nothing to do with that little circus.

 

Reduce racism. Morgan Freeman has a nifty idea.

You have any ideas?

 

In the end it all boils down to personal decision that get them where they are at, not the myth of systemic racism. They commit higher crime rates so it makes sense they have higher rates of arrests, rates of imprisonment, rates of bad police encounters.

They don’t take school seriously and have highest rates of absentees and lower rates of attendance. This will obviously effect their ability to get jobs, get loans, acquire wealth.

Their problems stem from their own decisions. I would argue that they need to pull themselves out of poverty not us. If we did give them reparations how would that reflect on their values? Would they value school over the streets all the sudden? Will they value literacy over drugs? Will they value work over crime?

 

They don't want to bring biology into the equation because the actual real settled science of biology is not confused about male and female

 

Well, what you're actually smelling is probably the ironic projection

 

Nobody knows how to reduce racism.

 

I have a feeling you don’t know what it is you speak of.

 

The comments only seem superficially similar. That said, I would not have banned Scott Adams for what he said. He misunderstood a survey, called half of black people a “hate group” based upon that survey and said white people need to get away from them. This person is advocating having some “black only” establishments for them to “take a break from white people.” If they want to do that, I don’t care. It’s more similar to having gay bars exist for gay people than mandating “separate but equal” all over again.

 

He cited his life experience in addition to that poll, and no he didn't misunderstand anything.

He is spot on.