Seriously, what is wrong with Christians?

I am confident that no occupant of Heaven will have the slightest desire to observe the torture of the damned. As for loved ones, we may rest assured that none of the damned are lovable, else they'd be in Heaven.

 

In what way was it not?

 

Read your post again.
Is this really what you believe?
Think carefully.

 

So its OK if they ignore it huh? Like they did in Nazi Germany? Except this time the torture is even worse and lasts FOREVER right?

What does it say about those who could ignore something like that? And would a JUST god want to spend ETERNITY surrounded by people like that?

That's not what the Bible says.

 

In the way that we are talking about Black slavery from the 18th and 19th centuries. We are not levites. Yes, they had rules about slaves/servants and every Bible reading Christian knows this but every Bible reading Christian also knows that they can't be justified in their Christian faith by treating someone else badly,such as in the case of 18th and 19th century slavery.

This is not complicated.If you have a servant and are treating them in a way that you wouldn't want to be treated, then you are not justified by the teachings of Jesus,you are against him. Why complicate this ?

The NT parable has nothing to do with justifying slavery and neither does the verse in Timothy.

 

Justified - THEOLOGY
declared or made righteous in the sight of God. Were they anti-Christ ?

You are talking about rationalizations vs justifications

 

Sadly, it was absolutely grounded in biblical justification.
This is an example of where people's faith blind them to the problems of scripture. In your desire to believe scripture to be perfect you will ignore its obvious problems.

 

Yet ANOTHER prime example of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. Christians believe whatever is expedient and comfortable for themselves at any given moment.

What about the Christians who persecuted (mostly Jews) during the Inquisitions?

What about the Christians who burned witches at the stake in Salem? (Exodus 22:18 (KJV) Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.)

What about the 1938 survey of German citizens indicating that they were NEARLY ALL Christians who carried out the Holocaust? And before you say they couldn't do anything about it let me inform you that they DID find a way to stop the Nazis from carrying off the elderly and infirm. Sure a tiny minority opposed them. And they should be PRAISED. But what was wrong with the REST of them???

What about the Christians who leaped with joy when Duh-bya was carrying out his "Crusade" against Iraq knowing FULL WELL (and later admitting) that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11?

You're worried about chemical attacks in Syria? What about the DEPLETED URANIUM BOTH Bush administrations left laying all over Iraq? (Check out the photos on that sometime if you ever need a good puke!)

Let's face it folks - this is what Christians DO! And why should we be surprised? This is a religion that teaches that BILLIONS of people will be cast into a place of ETERNAL TORTURE for something as silly as not agreeing with them about something that makes NO SENSE. Christianity does NOT hold up historically, logically, and least of all MORALLY. Virtually NOTHING in the NT would be admissible in a court of law. It is ALL hearsay and rumor without a SINGLE credible eye witness.

But as long as they have COGNITIVE DISSONANCE to fall back on that will NEVER phase them.

What does is say about your god that he would FOREVER surround himself with people who could FOREVER IGNORE the tortured SCREAMS of people they CLAIM to love?

 

Your religious myopia leads you to ignore that the word "justification" also has a secular meaning.
Be careful. Your indoctrination is showing.

 

Next Question: Is it possible for a Christian to be MORAL?

 

Then they are not Christians. By definition, a Christian must follow the teachings of Jesus and the Bible. If you refuse to do that, then you are not a Christian.

They were wrong.

Didn't happen.
http://www.babble.com/dad/7-america...witches-were-burned-at-the-stake-in-salem-ma/

They were wrong.

I never thought Iraq was directly involved. I supported it because it was absolutely necessary. We should have dealt with Iraq back in the 90s, but Clinton was too much a coward.

I'm not worried about Syria's chemical attacks, or the depleted Uranium. War is hell. I would rather avoid war as much as possible. But if it must happen, then whatever goes that ends the conflict the quickest, even if it involves Depleated Uranium, is the best course of action.

Actually that's not true. It does hold up historically, and logically, and clearly morally. If G-d does not determine morals, then it's impossible for you to say that it doesn't hold up morally because morals would then be subjective. If G-d does determine morals, then the Bible is obviously moral.

He's not going to surround himself with tortured screams. Hell is separation from G-d. None of us will hear the screams of the damned in Heaven.

And here's the real key. The people going to Hell, are going there by choice. Those that reject G-d..... are choosing to reject G-d. Thus by the choice of their own will, they are choosing to be separated. Hell is that separation.

How is it bad for G-d to allow people to make their own choice? How does someone choosing to go to Hell, reflect badly on Christians? We're not choosing for anyone to go to Hell. They are. If someone chooses to smoke cigarettes until they get cancer and die, does that reflect badly on me? I didn't make them make that choice. It was all them. If someone blows all their money on lottery tickets, and is broke, bankrupt and homeless... does that reflect badly on me? It was all them. Their choices, not mine.

You make your choice too. Not me. Nothing I do has any effect on you. All I can do is warn you that choosing to walk off that ledge is not going to get you to a good place. But whether you do, or do not, is totally up to you.


No one is pushing you. You are the one taking the steps.

 

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Answers to this question may constitute evidence!
Lol!

 

Cognitive dissonance at its best!
Separation from God or burning pit?
Seems the poster simply can't decide.

 

Of course you'd come out and say this in an enlightened age where slavery is looked down upon, but it is a wholly anachronistic interpretation of the Bible. Christian slaveholders would claim that your interpretation is wrong, pointing to the "Chosen people of God" being granted the ability to enslave others, as well as pointing to Ephesians and Titus. The Bible can be used to justify almost any position.

 

Makes no difference. Tell me something bad about slavery and then tell me how that doesn't cross the golden rule.

 

Unfortunately the Golden Rule is not the only reference in scripture to the topic of slavery.
Unless, of course, you are justifying cherry picking, in which case we can all do that.

 

Christian slaveholders might tell you that all science is wrong, so what ? There is a line where ignorance can't be reasoned with.

 

Jesus whole doctrine was in line with the golden rule.

 

Tell me how SLAVERY DOESN'T cross the golden rule. Unless you mean

He who has the gold makes the rules!

 

True, I made a mistake by saying "every."(part you put in bold)

 

And yet scripture frequently condones one person owning another.
How do you reconcile that?

 

I can no more choose to be a Christian than you can choose to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. In fact the very BASIS of "salvation by faith" is vile and disgusting to any thinking person. Or to put that another way, anyone who is NOT repulsed by it is NOT THINKING!

The Christian god has so much love of human suffering that he simply could NOT get enough of it in this world and had to create a place of ETERNAL PUNISHMENT to REALLY get his thrills!

And he wants to spend ETERNITY surrounded by people who think that's just fine.

 

Again, 90%+ of Christians would agree on these two issues.

And Satan would have you beat on Bible knowledge. So what?

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Some were in debt and voluntary entered that state, others were from wicked nations that were enemies of Israel. God even punished apostate Israel with slavery, why would He spare wicked gentiles?

Amos 2 says, "For three sins of Israel, even for four, I will not turn back my wrath. They sell the righteous for silver, and the needy for a pair of sandals."

The 'righteous' probably refers to those who were not in debt and whom there was no lawful reason to sell. 'The needy' references God's commandment that the poor be helped, but they were instead sold for failure to repay a minor debt, for which a pair of sandals had been given in pledge. The point is, people were not randomly enslaved because of their race as in US slavery.

Any society who kills 4,000 unborn children a day as we do has no business pointing fingers at the bronze-age theocracy of Israel.

 

How is that particularly relevant? They'd be correct in pointing out tha the Bible is innacurate in regards to science, just as they would be correct that there are verses that can be interpretated as advocating or taking a neutral stance on slavery.

 

So people like Augistine, Aquinas, Calvin, Dr. ML King, GK Chesteron, or CS Lewis just weren't as good thinkers as you? It would be a bit more honest if you said they came to a different conclusion.