Should white men be punished?

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  1. superbadbrutha

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    Yea because things were great for black folks during the 40s, 50s and early 60s.
     
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    It's a left-wing attempt at unseating demographics with more wealth and power, not about morality or reparations or anything else.

    Muslims have a far worse history than European colonialism has, yet the Muslims are cast as victims. Why? They haven't a pot to (*)(*)(*)(*) in.

    There is no excuse to point fingers of blame elsewhere when you don't bother looking in the mirror to answer the questions of why you don't have as much stuff as someone else does. That is scapegoating. That is jealousy. That is trifling. And most of all, that is racist.

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    It's a far shot better than what they had in captivity in Africa when whites bought them from their black captors.

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    Still waiting for this APA source that says that, because in all the psych classes I took, they never said remotely what you are claiming.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Some people miss a lot of what's taught in the classroom which is why they're not all 4.0 students and even then not everything is taught in a classroom.

    As for the source I've cited it before.

    http://www.apa.org/topics/intelligence/index.aspx

    New information also reflects that negative stereotypes significantly corrupt the IQ test scores making them unreliable for comparative purposes between different demographic groups.

    http://www.apa.org/research/action/stereotype.aspx

    So we've had racists in America that for hundreds of years that have been stereotyping blacks as being inferior and tests where such stereotypes dramatically drive down the scores and the racists cite the tests as evidence that their stereotype is accurate. Racists create a "self-fulfilling prophecy" with their racist propaganda.

    The racist's propaganda is based upon this logic: "If we stereotype blacks as inferior they will score poorly on IQ tests because they've been stereotyped as inferior and then we can cite the IQ tests in our arguments that blacks are inferior."
     
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    How did East Asians manage to break out of this 'self-fulfilling prophesy'?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    I can only guess but it's probably because they've never really cared what "white" Americans thought of them because they considered "whites" to be a rather ignorant "Johnny-come-lately" group with a very short historical foundation. Remember that Asians had an advanced civilization when Europe was barely out of the stone-age. When Europeans first arrived in Asia they were really ignorant filthy scum compared to the Asians.

    Of course that is just a wild guess on my part.
     
  6. rayznack

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    I'm curious to know what part of Japanese history gave you the impression they were anything other than a feudal, rural society until the early 20th century?
     
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    What leads you to believe that America was any better?
     
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    Apparently you struggle to read your own posts; or recall I don't advocate your argument:

    You are aware that despite their near identical IQ, the Japanese, Chinese and Koreans have vastly different histories and cultures, right?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Are you aware that IQ tests don't measure "human" intelligence and that the test scores cannot be compared between different groups where social factors can dramatically effect the score according to the APA?
     
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    No, I wasn't aware of your tortured summation of a cherry-picked quote by one member of the APA.

    Interesting you've fled this particular line of discussion once I blew your hypothesis out of the water.
     
  11. ryobi

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    No one has been alive for, "hundreds of years," not even African Americans.
     
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    I have.

    Then there's people like Saint Germain. He's older than I am.

    I'm only 865 years old.

    He was Merlin don't you know.
     
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    I thought he was an Etruscan vampire?
     
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    Not that I know of. I palled around with him for almost sixty years during the seventeenth century so you'd think something like being a vampire would come to light.
     
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    White people should pay restitution for the crimes of their ancestors and when someone who owes me money dies, I should be able to force their descendants to pay off their debt.
     
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    why would white ppl [who own the banks] punish themselves for crimes they or their family committed?
    Thats like asking a thief to hand over the goods he shoplifted, if youre not going to make him [by threat of an airstrike and ground assault] then naturally, he's not going to cough up. He will lol in your face. The jewish ppl controlled the banks so the germans had to eventually pay up for their crimes.
     
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    All statements originate with an individual writer but when adopted by an organization like the APA that is done by consensus.

    I never fled any discussion but I do get bored with some discussions especially on issues of racism because I know that a racist is a racist is a racist and they choose not to address any issue honestly when it disputes their bigoted beliefs.

    For example take the title of this thread: Should White Men Be Punished?

    There is no statistical evidence of discrimination against "white men" in the United States. "White Men" aren't being punished by anyone so what the hell is the foundation for the thread? The only things I've read in the thread are purely racist tripe and propaganda. Show me the statistical evidence that "White Men" don't have the most college degrees, that they don't have the highest paying jobs, that they are discriminated against in hiring practices. Don't give me andecdotal BS because anecdotal represents "no data" at all. Show me a spreadsheet of college student admissions where "white men" are under-represented as a demographic group when compared to black admissions.
     
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    so you're saying white people can't be trusted to punish other white people that commit crimes?

    that's pretty racist.
     
  19. rayznack

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    White men would have more college degrees if not for affirmative action, which has been shown to you several times. That is discrimination.

    If you're looking for groups with the most college degrees, Asians, per capita, have the most, and White females outnumber White males in college graduation rates.

    As for fleeing a discussion, your last three posts are perfect examples of your flight under logical scrutiny.

    You also claim dishonesty by racists but seem to provide no examples. Hmm. The dishonesty in this thread came from someone making absurd claims that were discredited. But I don't think they were 'racist'.
     
  20. ryobi

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    If African Americans should get reperations, then I, as a white male, should get reperations for the 2.1 million, mostly white men, who fought for the Union to free African Americans from slavery.

    Thank You
     
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    White Males can still get jobs but they're not the easy lucrative jobs African American males are more likely to get.
     
  22. ryobi

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    Is this what you mean by, 'purely racist tripe and propaganda,' A statement about the hiring practices of a University:

    The President of The Evergreen State College, as the delegate of the Board of Trustees, hereby reaffirms that The Evergreen Sate College is steadfastly committed to equal opportunity and diversity as principles necessary for a just society and a quality education. An important goal of the College is to create a learning and working environment that is inclusive, hospitable to, and reflective of our diverse society - an environment that nurtures respect for cultural diversity and encourages excellence. The Evergreen State College is implementing an Affirmative Action program to achieve this goal and to employ and retain members of underrepresented affected groups among its administration, faculty and staff.
    The College Affirmative Action Plan and programs are established in accordance with regulations promulgated by the Federal Office of Contract Compliance Programs, Federal Executive Order 11246, Rehabilitation Act Section 503, Governor's Executive Order 93-07 Affirming Commitment to Diversity and Equity, Re-establishing Affirmative Action and Prohibiting Discrimination, Governor's Executive Orders 89.01, 96-04 and 98-01, RCW 28 B.10, 39.19, 41.06, 49.60, and 49.74. Consistent with Federal and State law, the plan provides for equal opportunity and non-discrimination in all aspects of college employment regardless of protected group status: race, color, ethnicity, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, or veteran status.

    The Affirmative Action Plan documents the College’s goals and strategies for the recruitment and retention of well-qualified members of affected groups as staff and faculty, specifically women, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian/Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, Vietnam Era veterans, disabled veterans and people with disabilities (the affected groups), where they are under-represented in our workforce. The plan does not establish quotas of any kind or timelines for the achievement of goals, but identifies the levels of diversity present in labor markets relevant to College recruitment and establishes those levels as goals the College aspires to in its employment of administrators, staff and faculty. The Affirmative Action Plan also outlines program activities and strategies the College utilize to retain its diverse employees.

    The President of the College is responsible to the Board of Trustees and to the Evergreen community for implementation of the Affirmative Action Policy, and for recommending the resources necessary to make the policy productive and effective. The Special Assistant to the President for Diversity Affairs is the President's designee responsible for the Affirmative Action Plan and promoting equal opportunity, and is also responsible to provide guidance and support for management’s implementation of the plan.

    All members of the Evergreen community are required to abide by the provisions of this policy. Failure to do so may result in disciplinary action, up to and including termination.
    The addendum attached to this policy contains the college procedures for the implementation of this policy.

    Copies of this policy are available to the public. The College’s Affirmative Action Plan is available for viewing upon request. For information regarding this policy, contact: The Evergreen State College, Special Assistant to the President for Diversity Affairs:
     
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    but the white guy didn't do anything to the black guy his ancestor did something to the black guys ancestor but no harm was done to the man that seeks reparations. I mean this is borderline savage tribal approach our ancestors were against each other so we have to be.
     
  24. ryobi

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    That's for sure! hehehe......
     
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    No one's been alive for, 'hundreds of years,' not even white males :roll:
     

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