Should white men be punished?

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  1. Casper

    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Can you show me the Bill that was passed by the Dems that says what you stated above?

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    When Black guys stop enslaving each other....they might have something to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.
     
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    I disagree, affirmative action was the corrective action for the past crime of this country, restitution is not warranted, besides, who would be the receiver, anyone with an African America gene in their bodies or only those with black skin (many of those have the ancestors gene of the slave owners in them, should they also receive restitution?)
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  4. ryobi

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    Sure. no problem:

    Federal Executive Order 11246, Rehabilitation Act Section 503, Governor's Executive Order 93-07 Governor's Executive Orders 89.01, 96-04 and 98-01, RCW 28 B.10, 39.19, 41.06, 49.60, and 49.74.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Care to post the wording?
     
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    All laws are passed based on the actions of others. So your contention is crap. We ALL have to adhere to rules and regulations based on actions of others.
     
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    That has never been shown to be true and the claim is pure BS.

    Even if a "white" student is denied admission at "College A" based upon affirmative action it doesn't imply that they didn't attend "College B" to obtain their degree. In fact I'd claim that, all things being equal, they did attend another college to obtain their degree.
     
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    No, if they directly inherited from an estate which used coercion, only then should they pay restitution, and even then only amounts specific to the individual's inheritance.

    You shouldn't have to pay restitution just because you're white, or just because your ancestors were slave owners. If they passed their property derived from slavery down to you, THEN you should have to compensate the victims.
     
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    Admissions should be the sole decision of the university. If they want to instantly exclude any African-American who apply because they're openly racist, that's their choice to make.

    At the same time, universities are not exactly lacking in liberal attitudes. And their customers are practically all pro-equality. So it makes no sense to have such a policy unless you're a small university tailored towards a specific ideology. If you are, or if indeed you are a big university - to each their own.
     
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    What about Barclays bank, who under a previous name were involved with the slave so- called trade? Should they be excused because they changed their name?
     
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    I don't know anything about the specifics of that case. Apply what I said above.
     
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    It was just in relation to corporate gain rather than on an individual basis.
     
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    if white people should be punished for the slave trade, black people should be punished for selling their own people for weapons back in Africa.
     
  14. Steady Pie

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    In general, yes - a collection of individuals should be just as culpable as a single individual.
     
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    even if they change identity?
     
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    Follow the money. If the assets of the coercive company stayed with it after the name change, then yeah
     
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    Where would restitution end? What about all of the immigrants that were treated so poorly? Don't they count? This is just one reason going back in time makes no sense.
     
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    When you say it isn't true, you mean the evidence was provided in front of you and you didn't understand it.

    You can't figure out that seats from 'College B' would also be taken by rejected Blacks and Hispanics from 'College A'?
     
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    No, not really. I've gotten in similar debates with racist liberals in the past who constantly move the goal posts after I've already answered their original question and I'm not keen on doing the same thing again.

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    ...and my, 'contention,' is what exactly again???
     
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    What was the outcome of most of the immigrants that were treated so poorly? I am sure you are speaking of European immigrants. Also other than Native Americans can you tell me another group of immigrants that were treated in the manner that black folks were.
     
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    The outcome is what each individual made it to be. I cant remember the last Italian President.

    As far as the difference in the way people were treated I would agree some worse some better, but what difference would it make to the person that is being treated badly? It's not like you can tell them, Oh forget your pain, the other guy is worse.
    It sure as heck does not make his pain any less.

    If one group gets reparations then they all should, you can not get around that. Also if a persons family was not here at that time they should not be held responsible, it would make no sense if they were. What would you tell them?
    ''Well yes I know you are not responsible, but you are the same color soooo........''

    That sure as hell doesn't work...LOL

    Perhaps we can all get together, find some Pilgrims and bill them......:smile:
     
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    Uh no we know that is not true, if that was the case how many folks do you think would have volunteered to be slaves.

    Tell me other than black folks when was a constitutional amendment made to stop the inhumane treatment of another human being in this country?
     
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    I was talking about after slavery, that is what I thought you meant

    the slavery was your original argument for reparations, just like child Labor, low wages, housing, jobs,,etc would be the argument for others. I doubt anybody signed up for that either..



    I cant, but what does that have to do with anything? I do know child Labor laws were introduced to stop much of that abuse, and that was inhumane. Who gets that bill?

    Believe me I am not making as if things were not bad, they were. However they were not the only folks, not by a long shot.
     
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    Even after slavery. Do you honestly think black folks wanted to be segregated and treated less than you would treat the animals on the farm.

    My argument was about the treatment of black folks in this country for over 400 yrs.




    The folks who benefitted from it.

    Again you can't show me another group of folks in this country who subjected to the crimes that black folks have in this country.
     

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