Shouldn't Islam Be Banned In the USA (asked of US citizens only)

Reading comprehension issues? Go back and try again...this time take a dictionary. Look up all the hard words like "verses"...it is not synonymous with "tendency"
... and you don't get to redefine someone else's conversation.

Please try to keep up.

Right, no women hanging by their breasts through eternity for the sin of being female and therefore desirable...those passages have been removed.

We can have a pissing contest if you want...but we will do it by The Book(s).
You may use only verse directed to Christians; I will use only verse directed to Muslims.

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You seem to have such a passion for the first amendment that it has blown out your ability to assess the Constitution correctly. The first amendment is a rather weak part of the Constitution, which has numerous exceptions in existence. It is subordinate (as all the rest of the Constitution) to the most powerful part of the Constitution - the Supremacy Clause (Article 6, section2). This defines Islam as unconstitutional and illegal by virtue of its supremacism. Islam also is in violation of US sedition laws.
To allow Islam (or any supremacist ideology) to exist is far more dangerous than any exception to the first amendment, and Islam has nothing to do with the first amendment anyway. It is not a religion, and this assertion is not 1970 - today, it has been in existence among billions of people for 1400 years, including 270 million people who were murdered by it.

 

You people who think that the history of Islam is any more violent than the history of Christians are ignorant or just not interested in history other than your own version of it. Neither one of them are religious in my version.

 

Apparently, you don't understand the Constitution. I'm not pretending anything . Of course the bill of rights is inferior (subordinate is the proper word) to the Supremacy Clause. Point is simple. Religion (which Islam isn't even one) is OK AS LONG AS it doesn't not put itself above the Constitution (so says the Supremacy Clause) - are you starting to get this now ? Problem with Islam is it does just that (and has been doing that to other countries and their constitutions for 1400 years). Welcome to the real world.

And please give us a break with the bigotry card. That lost its weight a long time ago. Hadn't you heard ?

 

I guess I'm now having to expect that you don't understand that it is unconstitutional to not ban Islam, and allow it to exist in America. By virtue of Article 6, section 2.

 

History is important, yes.

But this discussion, this thread, is about the USA and Islam today (and tomorrow)...not yesterday.

 

...and yet here we stand, living in a country where Islam has NEVER been banned. It must just eat you up on the inside.

Oh well. I guess you know better than hundreds of years of jurisprudence, congressional votes, and presidents. Nobody fully understood the Constitution until lil' ol' you came along.

 

"Presently" ? LOL. Obviously you have little understanding of the Muslim Brotherhood in America, and their role as a subversive organization.
The Explanatory Memorandum is not "presently", it was written May 22, 1991, discovered in 2005, and declassified by the US Justice Dept. in the Holy Land Foundation trial in 2008. No charge for the tutoring.

As for your absurd statement that "One document does not speak for an entire religious group, let alone the religion", according to the US Justice Department (who, unlike you, knows what they're talking about) the Explanatory Memorandum DOES INDEED "speak for an entire religious group", or at least a genocidal-imperialist group masquerading as a religion. This is not my, or any individual's "crazy conspiracy". It is a confirmed, factual conspiracy as defined by the US Justice Department, and if you can't handle that, go argue with them. In the meantime. I'll go with their knowledgeable version of events, not your ignorant one.

As for Hamas being terrorist, again, I go with the US State Dept definition (they ARE a terrorist organization), and the US Justice Department's actions of arresting Muslim Brotherhood leaders for terrorist funding to Hamas in the Holy Land Foundation trial. I would imagine if you asked the 5 HLF/MB leaders now rotting away in prison for the rest of their lives from their terrorism convictions, if they are terrorists they (in their warped mentalities) would proudly proclaim that they are. LOL.

 

This thread failed as soon as you claimed Islam was not a religion. No need to waste my time further.

 

What is your position on govt-supported religion in America?
Would you consider that a violation of the Constitution?
Let us see what the Supremes do with Murray vs Paulson before deciding where we stand, shall we?

 

FALSE ! The sedition laws outlaw speech which advocates the overthrow of the US government and Article 6 section 2 of the Constitution outlaws speech which proposes a supremacy above the US Constitution, (as Islam does).

The "total freedom" idea is a LIE being perpetrated by Islamapologist university professors all over America.

 

My position in this thread has been nothing other than that the religion known as Islam cannot be banned in the US. A belief set cannot legally be forbidden. Full stop. A prohibition against federal funding of any religion would not change that in any way.

Like I said earlier, people in the US are free to believe in anything they want to and are free to practice their religion in any way they choose that doesn't infringe on the rights of others. If Ahmet wants to pray to Allah a half a dozen times a day then I could care less. It doesn't affect me.

Take Satanism for instance, it is a person's constitutional right to choose that as their religion and the government cannot "ban" said religion. That doesn't mean that they get to sacrifice virgins under the full moon.

Take Judaism as another instance, a person is free to be Jewish all day and all night, but they don't get to tie their sons to a rock and attempt to kill them.

Same thing with Muslims, they are free to practice their religion but they cannot impose it on me or you.

It seems like a pretty good system to me. Whaddya think?

 

Could I elaborate ? HA HA. Why ? You've never heard of it ? Come on, don't tell us now that you are that ignorant. If I elaborated, I'd be writing for days on end. it might take 3 weeks to finish writing it all. Of course I can't do that, but you can't come in here and pretend you don't know about Islam's 1400 years of bloody murderous conquest either (all called for by the vile Koran).

Source for hundreds of US front organizations of the Muslim Brotherhood ? It's the US Justice Dept silly. You didn't know ? And why does an Islamist ask for a "source" ? Because ANY source given which tell the truth that you don't want to hear, and be revealed, will immediately be reviled as "invalid" since we all know that Invalidation is Hardwired into Islamapologists (let alone Islamists). Also, the sources a re too lengthy for me to list here so I'll give you direction to where you can read them :

See : Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry - the whole second half of the book is about the Muslim Brotherhood, and there are lists of Muslim Brotherhood Front organizations and lists of suspected U.S. Muslim Brotherhood figures (people) all footnoted to US Justice Dept sources et al.

"Which is" ? YOU KNOW Mr Bull(*)(*)(*)(*) artist. (4:34 for starters, as if you didn't know).

Now, I notice that everything you say to me ends with a question mark. Why is that MR. QUESTION MARK ? Are you really that ignorant, or is this your little ploy to tie me up with having to go compile mountains of facts to lay out here just for you. Do your own homework, you lazy bum. I've read over 20 books on Islam and Islamization, and I've given you a list of which ones to read. Read them.
If you spent more time reading them, and less time propagandizing in the forum (which seems to be ALL you ever do), you just might have some idea of what this subject really is all about, and you would not have to ask so many questions. Your questions are a load of crap. Stuff them, and start reading.

 

I know of no religion that is in direct contradiction to the Constitution. But I do know of one genocidal-imperialist-supremacist ideology that is in direct contradiction to the Constitution - Islam.

 

"100 police officers from 9 agencies were required to quell a riot at an amusement park because two Muslim women refused to follow park safety rules regarding headgear on certain rides. A fact they were made aware of prior to entering the park. Terrorism? or strife?"

Strife yes. Terrorism no. More accurately, it is Islamization (AKA Stealth Jihad), the prime modus operandi of the Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to overthrow the US government and abolish the Constitution, slowly from within, by changing the culture to Islam.

Stealth Jihad is THE method of operation of the Muslim Brotherhood as was revealed in the 1991 Explanatory Memorandum...for North America, discovered by the FBI in 2005, and declassified in the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas terrorist funding trial in 2007 & 2008.

The key words from it are :

"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).

 

Islam IS its legal code - they are one and the same. Islam is NOT protected, nor is any other supremacist movement. Frightening to see how attached to the 1st Amendment so many people are, and how DISattached from the Supremacy Clause they are. All a ramification of the biased teaching going on in schools and universities nowadays.

 

You are lost on this subject. You're so far from the jist of it, that refuting you is pointless.

 

1) Why would I waste my time reading thread with such a dumbass starting question as this one has?
I was bored, saw the title and typed a quick response.

2) Go buy a dictionary and look up 'Islam'. definition - it's a religion...no matter what a bunch of obsessed online posters say.

and 3) and I don't believe that any religion can be banned under the Constitution.
But if the day ever comes that America has become so cowardly and pathetic that it can be...that is the day I hope America ceases to exist as a nation.
For if people like you ever become the majority - then al Queda wins.

People that suggest banning religions are the ones true and brave Americans should really fear - not the terrorists.
For it is the former that are slowly destroying all that is good about America from within due to their fears and lack of bravery...like a cancer.

They are turning America from the land of the free and the brave to the land of the controlled and the scared.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

 

Word.......

 

No, there isn't any redefine, because ther hasn't ever been any valid defining in the first place. What gives any validity to the idea that Islam could be considered a religion ? Because Mo the pedophile said so ? An illiterate wife-beating, rapist, pedophile, slavemaster, robber, killer, animal killer, mutilator says so ? If anything, this should be all the more reason to INvalidate it.

The only reason Islam was ever portrayed as a religion was to mask all the vile aspects of it (as I just mentioned). And the only reason why anyone has ever adhered to it, is because they saw all those who refused to, killed for their refusals (270 million people over the past 1400 years). THIS is what should make make this vile imperialist-genocidal abomination a religion ?

Anyone who would buy into the notion that Islam is a religion, must be incredibly stupid, and I've got a bridge in Brooklyn waiting to sell to them.

 

Uhhh...okay

 

A dictionary ! LOL. yeah, I can see you've really got a grasp of this subject all right.

Whether you don't believe a religion can be banned or not not, doesn't make a (*)(*)(*)(*) bit of difference. Fact is it can, and you're just another brainwashed kid, a product of today's 1st Amendment crazy, biased educational system.
Fact is the Supremacy Clause is the highest rank of the Constitution, not your beloved 1st Amendment (hope this doesn't bring you all the other 1st Amendment groupies in this thread to tears).

EARTH to DA60 - nobody is talking about banning a religion, because Islam is not one (and never has been one - see post # 619). Even if it was, it could be banned because the Supremacy Clause trumps the 1st Amendment. Don't cry now.

 

2) Go buy a dictionary and look up 'Islam'. definition - it's a religion...no matter what a bunch of obsessed online posters say.

and 3) and I don't believe that any religion can be banned under the Constitution.
But if the day ever comes that America has become so cowardly and pathetic that it can be...that is the day I hope America ceases to exist as a nation.
For if people like you ever become the majority - then al Queda wins.

People that suggest banning religions are the ones true and brave Americans should really fear - not the terrorists.
For it is the former that are slowly destroying all that is good about America from within due to their fears and lack of bravery...like a cancer.

They are turning America from the land of the free and the brave to the land of the controlled and the scared.

 

This thread is not about the Federal Govt protecting/advancing one religious agenda over others. it is about the Federal Govt protecting itself from a supremacist ideology that calls for its destruction (ie. Islam)

 

He was right. You are wrong. It is not (and never has been) a religion.