Shouldn't Islam Be Banned In the USA (asked of US citizens only)

These scholars DO study both sides of the issue. Your review is indicative of your bias. And my sole source isn't these 7 books, it is many more books + thousands of footnoted reports in these books, many of them US Government documents, like this one revealed in the Muslim Brotherhood's 1991 Explanatory Memorandum...for North America, discovered by the FBI in 2005, and declassified in the Holy Land Foundation, Hamas terrorist funding trial in 2007 & 2008.

The key words from it are :

"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).

 

Is·lam (s-läm, z-, släm, z-)
n.
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islam


Definition of ISLAM

1: the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/islam



Suuuuure it's not a religion.


Hug a Muslim today.

 

so in other words, you don't know.

you also have completely ignored that many of the conflicts you cite are two way conflicts - and don't related to religion as much as a range of other factors.

If I were to use your reasoning - I would say that the holocaust was caused by christianity - it is well known that the long history of anti semitism in europe originated with christianity.

If I were to use your reasoning - then all the deaths of indigenous people in the new world would also be attributed to christianity, as would numerous deaths of colonised peoples through Africa and Asia.

if you can PROVE that the deaths you aare presenting are caused by religion alone, you might have a point - but even in todays conflicts - very few deaths are related to religion - there are myriad other factors that impact.

 

The point that you are missing is that Islam, created by the Historically Documented Mass Murderer, Thief, Rapist & Pedophilic Rapist, Whackjob Mohammed and his Murderous FIRST DICTUM, etc (and please read the sentences under "etc" in my prior posts which I am tired of reproducing) is so atrocious with its brutality that if this Mohammed's Islam is practiced in its TOTALITY.....as done by the Fanatically Insane Mid East Shiite & Sunni Cults centered in Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the nearby Emirates.....then this BARBAROUS INSANITY with its CRAZED CENTRAL DOCTRINE does not have the prerequisites anywhere close to the definition of a RELIGION.

Religion as practiced by the Organized Religions of the World do not have a Historic ally Documented Mass Murderer, Thief, Rapist & Pedophilc Rapist as their Creator. And, consequently has as its message LOVE and the Betterment of Humanity thru PEACE, Whereas Mohammed's Islam...if practiced in its TOTALITY with the FIRST DICTUM, etc, has as its CENTRAL DOCTRINE HATE, TORTURE & MURDER of those that oppose Islam once these are given the option to accept Islam.

However, the Islam as practiced by close to 5 BILLION other Muslims around the World in S.E. Asia, and other parts of Asia who REJECT the murderous atrocity of Mohammed's FIRST DICTUM, etc because its obviously BARBARIC & BRUTAL....and IMPRACTICAL because of this ATROCIOUSLY MURDEROUS BARBARIC BRUTALITY ( as practiced by the Mid East Fanatical Imams)....this GUTTED ISLAM may legitimately be called a "religion".

This duality makes it very difficult for our CLUELESS LEADERS (except for a very few), and the overwhelming mass of our citizenry, if not practically ALL of our citizens, to realize that Islam, as promulgated by the CRAZED MASS MURDERING WHACKJOB MOHAMMED is NOT a Religion but a POLITICAL FORCE just as BRUTAL, if not more BRUTAL than Fascism, or Communism.....especially if given Dominion over the World, when any semblance of the camouflage of its ATROCIOUS BRUTALITY does not require its HYPOCRITICAL APOLOGISTS, and our "HATE AMERICA" supporters of our ENEMY, The IslamoFascist Terrorist Swine to puke out their ridiculous crappola.

 

I think there are a lot of crazed people around here at the moment.

did you miss spell your name?

 

I've got better things to think about. LOL.

 

So you believe everything you read huh ? Want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn, Mohammed ? (or whatever your real name is)

 

Yeah, they're 2 way conflicts all right. And here's the 2 ways. Muslims leaving their homes in the Arabian peninsula, and traveling all over Asia, Asia Minor, Southern Europe, and North Africa to INVADE peaceful people, for the purpose of creating a worldwide caliphate. And you're right they are not related to religion. They are related to Islam.

You talk of using my reasoning is ridiculous. I am not doing any "reasoning". I am reporting history (long proven by thousands of scholars for 1400 years). You are talking ridiculous. But then that's what we come to expect from a Muslim and an Islamist.

As for "knowing" how many people have been killed by Christians, it doesn't matter exactly how many. For purposes of this thread and discussion, all that matters is it is a very small number relative to the horrific 270 million of Islam.

 

He sounds quite sane to me.

 

I think this applies to you ... at least as long as it agrees with your own bigoted perception.

 

in the asylum the inmates usually DO see themselves, and those who share their distorted perception of reality, as the only ones who are sane.

the clue on a lot of these forums as to people's mental health issues is the degree of obsession they have about a particular topic.

if they feel the need to distort the truth to reinforce their obsessional distrust of a particular group you can be assurred they are a few cents short of a dollar when it comes to being sane and rational.

 

so by your argument ... the early christians should have stayed around Asia minor around 2000 years ago?

 

Yeah, silly huh?

Taking the word of every dictionary in existence over the word of some obsessed, faceless, ignorant, prejudiced poster on a chat forum (namely you).




BTW - I am a WASP (not that I give a rodent's buttocks about ANY major religion - but I DO care about human rights; including the right to freely practice one's religion...whatever it is).


Hug a Muslim today.

 

Oh, so now the bigot card comes out, huh ? LOL. What took you so long ? Oh that's right you were playing your "out-of-context", "interpretation", and invalidation cards. Right. This is too funny. The funniest part of it is you (et al Islamapologists here) think you can actually get away with using those long ago died-out ploys. LOL.

 

I can think of a few who fit that description. LOL.

 

No, by my argument, nobody should go around forcing people to adhere to their ideology (especially one as criminally insane and vile as Islam).

 

Apparently you're trying to force others not to go to Islam by banning it via a Law which involves the use of Force... Hypocrite much?

 

Yeah, very silly. Not being able to see that Islam is just a con job of the degenerate criminals who invented it, and the only reason it's lasted so long is because its leaders have gone around killing people to perpetuate it. Great basis for validity, huh ? Yeah, sometimes dictionairies get it wrong - or as in the case of the mass media, they just don't want to get sued by suit-happy CAIR or ISNA, even if they think they're in the right. This is how Islam gets its way much of the time. By bullying.

I can't remember if I posted this before in this thread so here is the scoop on Islam's religious masquerade :

It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform, especially when Muslims were killing 270 million people around the world to spread it.
The sad thing is that over the 1400 year history of this abomination, not one word of the Koran has been changed.

 

I'm not doing that. It's already been done. By the US Constitution (Article 6, section 2). And the US sedition laws (USC 2384 & 2385).

 

Hmm, you may wish to look up the "Inquisition", and the general practices of the various Christian sects in Europe, and around the world.

Our finest torture implements were refined and used daily upon millions upon millions of citizens who in ANY way whatsoever, did not follow the precise edicts and demands of the Churches of Christ.

 

The Inquisition was a drop in the bucket compared to 1400 years of Muslim genocidal imperialist conquest. To come in here at this late pooint and mention the Inquisition is laughable. The notion has already been refuted thoroughly in the thread.

THINK THE SPANISH INQUISITION WAS BAD?

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined


Death tolls

García Cárcel estimates that the total number processed by the Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition) This is .0005 of the 270 Million killed by Muslims over their 1400 year super-holocaust. Another way of putting it is the horrific Muslim figure is 1,800 times larger than the Inquisition.

It's also notable that the Inquisition ended hundreds of years ago, while the terrorism of the Koran continues to this day.

 

Protectionist,

The America Haters concentrated primarily in the 10-15% Lib Dem category are usually the IslamoFascist Terrorist Swine's supporters of America except for our ENEMY WITHIN, the American Muslims with a Mid East origin.

These American Muslims with a Mid East Origin have almost the same, if not the same HATRED of America as their counterparts in the Mid East. The followers of the Crazed Fanatical Imams of the two cults: The Shiites located primarily in Iran, governed by a Theology of these Insane Imams. And, the even crazier whackjobs, the Sunni Wahhabis who are located primarily in Saudi Arabia, and the nearby Emirates. These certifiably barbaric Wahhabi madmen have blackmailed, and coerced the willing Saudi Royalty to finance 95% of the Mosques in America that churn out an overwhelming number of devoted stealth crackpot American Muslims steeped in the daily indoctrination that America is the Great Satan. And, Israel is the Little Satan.

The irony is that this is not taking place COVERTLY. This daily indoctrination of HATE in the Mid East, and in America itself, is blatantly evident and trumpeted in full force, without any reservation ........unless when challenged by the National Media. Or, in the Congress of the United States of America.

There we have the Muslim Congressman Kieth Ellison spring into action inundating his audience with the Muslim practice of TAQIYAH .....which is Islam's Instruction to lie without reservation if that crappola is in Defense of Islam.

Of course, at this time, this Mendacious POS, Muslim Kieth Ellsion is supported by the AMERICA HATERS in the form of Sheila Lee Jackson etc. More notable among the America Haters in this , and in general , are other Corrupt Congressional Black Caucus members such as the predictable Maxine Waters, and the other nutjob , who has been kicked out of Congress. These start hollering about the discrimination of Islam as a "peaceful religion".

Unfortunately, this mob of AMERICA HATERS are augmented by the naive idiot followers of the SUPER KOOK Ron Paul, who though they may be American Patriots with the highest intentions, make the job of annihilating this Barbaric & Murderous brand of Islam, concocted by the Mass Murderer, Thief, Rapist & Pedophilic Racist, Whackjob Mohammed, nigh impossible. I am talking about this brand of Islam by Mohammed followed IN TOTO as opposed to the peaceful brand of Islam who REJECT the murderous FIRST DICTUM, etc..

The peaceful brand of Islam, is the GUTTED brand of Islam followed by approx 5 BILLION Muslims in other parts of the World. This GUTTED brand of Islam is practiced in S.E. Asia. And, other parts of Asia, where Mohammed's CENTRAL DOCTRINE which consists of the murderous FIRST DICTUM, etc, is REJECTED because it is found to be too MURDEROUSLY ATROCIOUS & IMPRACTICAL.



Apart from the naive idiots that follow the Super Kook Ron Paul, there are also the overwhelming number of Patriotic Americans, if not ALL of our CLUELESS American Citizenry who view the MURDEROUS brand of Islam that includes the Mass Murdering Whackjob Mohammed's FIRST DICTUM, etc......as a bona fide "religion".

These TOTALLY CLUELESS American Patriots include the majority of equally CLUELESS leaders in Congress. That is why it is nigh impossible to squelch this impending DISASTER if it is allowed to flourish in America.

And, as I have stated in another post, the front organizations of Islam Terrorist Swine, overtly connected to Hamas, and so identified by the FBI such as CAIR are allowed to actually preach the Mendacity of the MURDEROUS Islam in our Govt and, even, the Military.

As stated, even though it is known by the FBI that the two founders of CAIR, Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad are members of the Muslim Brotherhood inextricably connect to HAMAS. This includes other IslamoFascist Terrorist Swine Organizations, such as ISNA, MSA, MAS, et al .

 

Your ridiculous bias is exposed by you comparing ONE county's Christian torture death toll (Spain) to your fantastic estimate of Islam's death toll. Christianity's systemic government sanctioned and supported witch hunt, torture and murder of rival religions occurred in ALL of Europe and many other countries, which left the West pretty much a region of Christians who have conquered and murdered any competition (from native peoples in Europe to Native Americans in USA and Canada).

Christianity's destruction of others was so thorough there are only the tiniest fragments left of any others.

Your are including the death tolls of all of the wars of countries, if we did the same for the West, that would include the 10's or 100's of millions or more slaughtered by the British empire (the death toll in India alone is unimaginable), the millions slaughtered by the USA in the Philippines and South America, and so much more.

A fun page, which includes the MASSIVE death tolls caused by the West's colonial management of countries like India in the face of weather famine by making everything much, much worse. Is taking a starving country's food murder?

To claim the 1400 years of "Islamic genocidal conflict" is ANY worse than Christianity's West "genocidal conflicts" is simply being unaware of history, and even unaware with the current world and looking a who is really "Imperialist",

 

I have no arguments with what you say except that CAIR is not as infiltrated into the US government as they used to be. After the US vs Holy Land Foundation trial, CAIR was exposed as the right arm of Hamas in the US, and is now designated as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorist funding to Hamas. in August 2008, the FBI severed its outreach (as-kissing) activities to CAIR,and suspended its formal engagements with the terrorist organization (about time !).
CAIR threatened the FBI with a boycott involving every American Muslim organization to stop providing counterterrorism leads. CAIR's threat was a joke though, since neither they or any of the other Muslim Brotherhood groups (ISNA, NAIT, etc) were providing anything to the FBI, anyway. They brought nothing to the table in the first place, and so, had nothing to take away.

 

Glad you agree with me.


Btw - you do realize that both the Koran and the Bible were just the fictional writing's of a couple of out-of-work authors who wanted fame and to get laid?

Same with pretty much all of the major religions actually.




Hug a religious person today...they are very gullible (IMO) and need it.