Show me why killing a fetus is wrong.

You actually have failed every time to show me why this is important.

 

You need to review your definition of "organism."

http://eileen.250x.com/Main/infrmdC/Paradigms.html

Organisms come in many forms, including single celled, but since we are talking about humans at this point, we are referring to mammals, and mammals are not single celled organisms. What we need to do is look at the markers that are necessary and sufficient to classify an entity as a mammalian organism. These markers are identified in many biological textbooks and but for simplicity I will use the definitions found in the Oxford English Dictionary, and Websters, here.

Organism: An organized body, consisting of mutually connected and dependent parts constituted to share a common life; the material structure of an individual animal or plant. OED

And from this the biological definition of Individual is needed also:
Individual: "Biol. An organism regarded as having a separate existence...an organism detached from other organisms, composed of coherent parts, and capable of independent life." OED

Then from Webster's Medical Dictionary Online we have:
Organism: "An individual constituted to carry on the activities of life by means of organs separate in function but mutually dependent : a living being." (Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary on line)

So what is required to describe an entity as a mammalian organism is individuality, and the capacity for independent life. Some of the requirements for maintaining independent life in a mammalian organism would be the ability to detoxify and reoxygenate blood; to maintain homeostasis - temperature, blood pressure and blood pH, etc., using it's own internal regulatory systems that respond to the external environment; to ingest, digest, and excrete in order to produce and convert energy to maintain systems; and more.

 

If its ok to kill a fetus, its ok to kill a newborn. If its ok to kill a newborn its ok to kill any human life-- if that death benefits someone else. One can always justify murder in some way that suits him/her.

But if you have that attitude----that it isn't wrong to kill a human life that isn't as developed as you and that doesn't benefit you---then that is simply the attitude you have and no debate will change it. Frankly....its what all pro-choice activists think but don't want to say because it is too honest.

 

LOL How so? You NEVER refuted my OP on this thread and this one:
http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/191184-why-killing-fetus-fine.html

If you want you can try, but you have yet to refute it, so it stands to reason I have not once failed. If you couldn't understand it, that's your own problem.

 

Within the first few months, in and of itself, yes.

No, because a human being past this early stage has the ability to have interests and value its own life.

How? Murder can never be justified as it is the invalid breach of the interest of another. A fetus or very early newborn doesnt have an interest, hence they can be killed. The only thing preventing such action is the fact a fetus or newborn is essentially owned by the parents.

But that isnt my view. I have stated my view repeatedly, such as in the OP of this thread and the OP of this thread:
http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/191184-why-killing-fetus-fine.html

This is not what I think. Assume what you like, you clearly don't know what my position is. If you dont want to understand it, that's just evidence of your own insecurity and the fragility of your own position.

 

Your position is clear. A human life is only valuable when you decide it is valuable...when it suits you. A human life is disposable when its easy to dispose of it, when it can't fight or plead for its own life, and when it suits you.

 

Brilliant reasoning, just brilliant about the same as a circle jerk...

 

By what line of reasoning or rather lack of?

 

Ah, you like twisting words. Is honesty too much of an effort for you? A human life is only valuable when society deems it so. It been like that always and will be so in the future.

 

I'm working with and responding to Megadeth's line of reasoning. He himself agrees....that it is ok to kill a newborn.

 

Its really very simple; if you consider the fetus to be a person, then it is wrong to kill it unless it is threatening someone else's life.

I wonder if Southern slave owners said something similar to abolitionists back in the day.

 

... and there's the rub. There's no agreement on whether or not a fetus is a person. There's no agreement on what makes a fetus or baby a person. There's no agreement on at what point this elusive condition is reached in the development of the human.

 

There did not used to be agreement on whether slaves were people either. Things change.

But if you dont think the fetus is a person, then treating it like an object makes sense.

 

If human life is protected...then you don't have debates over whether the fetus, newborn or child is a person and thus protected. Or the Jew, the homosexual or deformed and mentally challenged. In otherwards...it would not be so convenient to dispose of those that we (society) didn't want around.

 

We all die, therefore we are all dead.

The fetus is not a human being until it is actually a human being. To rid ones body of a mass of cells is hardly killing a human being.

 

Because what is a person without an active nervous system? Essentially brain dead.

 

It's very simple. YOU and I were once a fetus.

Think about it.

 

So? If it is so simple why can't you make a point?

 

So? LOL How does that refute ANYTHING I have said?

ROFL. You think I haven't? Think about what I said.

ps bin laden was a fetus too.

 

That is not possible. More like it he was brought by the stork or a buzzard.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) YOU. WHEN DID I EVER SAY THAT?? No rights are based in interests - NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.

 

No you working with your own assumptions that have NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ETHICAL POSITION.

Yep - but I never said you could kill any and everyone!

 

LOL So you oppose all wars and all forms of killing? Human life isnt protected at all. Society merely has an inconsistent mishmash of rights and responsibilities. "Protecting all human life" has NEVER been acknowledged by ANY society that wasn't totally pacifist.

 

No you working with your own assumptions that have NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ETHICAL POSITION.

Yep - but I never said you could kill any and everyone!

 

No it kills the development of a baby