Show me why killing a fetus is wrong.

Once it starts growing

 

Human life begins at conception according to doctors and scientists

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

 

You could say that the seed is the sperm, and that the sapling is the fetus, and the tree is the newborn. But when it starts to grow, it is not yet a tree.

 

That doesn't matter to me. I was a fetus, I was a PLANNED baby. If I was unwanted, and aborted, I wouldn't care - I couldn't.

Potential baby.

I just want to ask - would any pro lifer willing give birth to something like this, and raise it with the same love they give to their 'normal' children? Because I sure couldn't. That 'thing' is hardly human, its hard to look at.

 

It is a developing tree when the seed sprouts

 

Just like a baby is a developing fetus when it is in the womb.

 

So? Why is human life so important?

 

Again, so what? Why is that so important?

 

It will not develop without resources from the ground. A developing tree is a potential tree until it emerges from the ground, then it's a tree.

 

The pregnancy was being terminated because the mother had a heart problem and not because she wished to kill the child. The mother was quite young and thought she was 5 months pregnant. The doctors basically performed a caesarian and when they brought the fetus out she was a 4 lb. baby.

I sorry I confused you. I suppose reaching in and pulling the child apart is the only "abortion" with which you're familiar.

 

Perhaps you misread. Reliable doctors and scientists would not say human life begins at conception since human life is present before conception in the egg and sperm. AN individual human life BEGINS at conception, but it is not yet an individual human life until it separates from the woman.

 

Man, this thread is full of fail.

Wolverine, do you know what time frame makes up the stage in the life cycle we call "fetus"? I suggest you look it up, because your comment was very ignorant of the subject.

 

Since I wrote the OP, would you care to respond to it before calling it a fail?

 

No, this is fundamently wrong.

Nobody "grows" into a human being. At conception a human being is created. We grow up to be adults. Not human beings.

 

Yeah sure, right after you go back to your other fail thread you created about 2 months ago and answer my questions I posed to you that you completely ignored.

 

Wow, dumbest argument of all time.

Comparing a human being to a tree.

 

You mean the 'killing a fetus is fine' thread? Sure, I'd be gald to do that. If you go there in the next few minutes I'll post a reply - I just need to sort through and find the comments you say I didnt reply to.

 

Here you go Hat:
http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/191184-why-killing-fetus-fine-15.html#post4423830

 

It's a fail b/c a "fetus" is a human being. You like so many Leo-abortionists get hung up on terms that you misconstrue and completely take out of context to fit your own opinion on what is or is not a human being, when the terms themselves are only there to describe a certain time frame during pregnancy. These terms are not meant to show that it's not a human being. The terms are being used by you and others out of context.

What is the difference b/w a newborn baby just delivered and the same baby 3 hours before delivery? Can you honestly answer this question or will it take you another 2 months to do so?

 

Several of the usual suspects have predictably chimed in but have not even come close to answering the question. All they have is their own personal opinions, baseless assertions of value, and a few insults. In fact their arguments have less substance than the fetuses they claim to adore.

 

What's special about human beings?

 

So?

Define fetus then. Go ahead, it wont change my principle in ANY WAY. Also, how did I "take out of context to fit your own opinion" the word fetus? Again, you can correct me with my use of the word because that wont change anything I have said. You clearly indicate your own lack of knowledge by even suggesting this. None of my argument relies on what a fetus is or is not - NOR what it is or is not to be a human being.

How so? I merely wish to describe the human being in the whom, If you want me to use more precise language, fine but that wont change my contention in ANYWAY.

There isnt, I already said that.

See above. Perhaps you should drop your ego and read my actual posts.

 

I have asked this question 5 times in the last three days with NO answer.

 

No it is not, nor can you support that.

I guess the hypocrisy of that has not dawned on you yet. What do you do when you call a single cell a human being?

Nor are they meant to show that a fetus is a human being.

Are they now?

That is a moronic question betraying your desperation in light of the absence of rational thinking.

 

What does it matter since "babies" are not being aborted 3 hours before delivery? Perhaps you should consider the difference between and embryo or fetus in the first trimester and a newborn. But since you asked, here's some of the difference:

http://www.eileen.250x.com/Main/7_R_Eile/BirthChange.htm

So, to summarize, the hemodynamics of the immediate newborn and term fetus differ in these major ways, and many more minor ones...ALL abruptly changing at the moment of birth: arterial and venous blood no longer mix in the atria
the vena cava now carries only deoxygenated blood into the right atrium, where it goes into the right ventricle, and then is pumped to the pulmonary arteries, and finally to the pulmonary capillary bed
the aorta now carries only oxygenated blood from the left heart via the pulmonary veins for distribution to the rest of the body.
The 'pipework' is still mostly there, but what enormous changes have taken place in a few short seconds!

So, I'd appreciate if we didn't say that the immediate newborn and term fetus are almost identical, because they just aren't. The digestive changes alone would be ten times the length of this very basic circulatory primer, and the respiratory chemistry changes at the instant of birth could fill a book.