Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands

It wouldn't be very effective. I never said it would, I said that this is probably the idea of the Libbos. Frankly, I don't think anyone would invade and if they did the wealthy Randys would flee and request the American government to intervene.

 

So what you are saying is that these Libertarian paradises can't survive without being parasites on the American tax payer?

 

This liberal's opinion:

"Don't let the door hit you on the way out the door!"

 

Or some country, the U.S. seems the obvious choice.

Alternatively if every country was to control pirates based in their borders (thus ending piracy) that would also work.


Personally I don't think these things are evolutionary stable systems.

 

How would they flee? The city designs aren't big enough for airports. They'd have to flee by boats. A well equipped pirate group with gunboats could easily stop them.

 

Depends on where they build it. Pirates these day like cheap vessels near the places where they can hide out. If this is an oil rig out in the open ocean... that wouldn't make a good target for pirates.

 

Um...in this context what the hell would be the difference? Would it really matter if it was pirates or the US Navy?

It would actually be a rather amusing demonstration of WHY you cannot rely on militias. Why an actual TAX FUNDED military is a necessary thing. For that reason alone I fully support this venture.

I thought the point of this little pout-fest was to get away from the evil US? Are you saying they are just going to leech off the military of the US, paid by US tax payers?

How very libertarian of them, LOL

They will attract pirates. Thats the point. People will know a bunch of wealthy unarmed libertarians are living on a fake island with no protection. It would only be a matter of time.

 

If there was an invasion then it is fairly easy to get advance warning. Also many of them probably wouldn't be present in their resorts.

A pirate attack differs from an invasion in that it doesn't land and can be fought off using weapons that would be available to the Randys. Many pirate attacks seem to be of the order of men with AK47s in a dinghy.

 

I think this is especially hilarious. The Libertarians who are so concerned about controlling their own wealth without government interference dont seem to have a problem leeching off of the labor of everyone else.

Hypocrisy anyone?

 

Somali pirates maybe, by those are hardly the only pirates out there.

And how would it be easy to have early warning? Are these enclaves going to launch their own sea search radar satellites? Who will pay for them?

 

The difference between pirates and an invasion is the fact that an invasion takes over a country whereas pirates simply leech off it.

Pirates have an interest in not fully starving their host and so pick off merchant lanes whereas a navy simply invades.

I agree that a real navy is necessary for protection. You seem to think I am a libertarian and any libertarian on this forum will tell you how wrong that is.

Precisely, they can't not but leech off social goods.

If it is too far away from places that can host pirates then they would be no more attacked than any other holiday resort. They will benefit from the protection of sea lanes by the U.S. and others.

 

Fact of the matter is any resort town has an economy. So does every resort State. Even if it became a resort country with its own laws doesn't invalidate anything. Certainly a sea country would have problems, but they would be their problems to deal with. If you have ever talked to someone who worked on an aircraft carrier of 5000 people you'd get a better picture of the economy involved. They are floating cities.

 

No country invades anywhere without some warning signs first, given that these will probably be wealthy individuals they will have enough connections to pick up on any such event. Pirates do not invade.

 

First thing's first: what will it be called?

 

A small tax haven/holiday resort has an economy of course but it dosen't have the factors that cause problems in other economies. For example if the population consists of wealthy millionaires then unemployment isn't an issue is it?

 

I think they should try then. Lets watch what happens.

Then they wont really be independent, will they?

 

Who knows? If they want to attract the average person perhaps they can rent as needed. Just another problem to be worked out. Everyone would have to pay some kind of tax. Perhaps that could cover it. If you put enough liberals on board they could figure out whose money to take to fund it.

 

The Seaciety?

Or maybe Tropico?

 

Yep floating authoritarian dictatorships with socialist economies where the government provides free food, free shelter, free healthcare, and free utilities and everyone is forced to work for the governmen or go to prison.

 

No pirates do not *occupy*. They do invade. And then pillage. And rape. And then burn.

 

Let's see how many $billions he can generate on a floating 'libertarian' island. My guess is that he would not be able to generate even the $1.25 million seed money.

It's interesting the number of billionaires who made their fortunes in this country and then proceed to trash it.

 

I was thinking the Objective Republic of Randia.

 

I see your point. Depend on the kind of laws they set up. People will always do what others don't want, human nature. That's why all countries have laws.

Recycling would have to be a key ingredient. I'm all for them trying it. What an adventure it would be. Even if it falls on its face it is worth the try. Our Great Experiment called the USA has drifted so far from the original intent that our founders wouldn't recognize it.

 

When I come home today from work, I will play some Tropico lol.

 

So then the poor won't actually be free because the wealthy that own the subs could simply cut off access once the poor move in. Presto, free slaves.