Silly arguments being made by the right

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  1. RodB

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    Candidates get help from foreign nationals all the time, and it is neither illegal, untoward, nor improper, so long as they don't pay for it -- ya know, like Hillary and the dossier.
     
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    No. That is just an example of Mueller talking out of all four sides of his mouth.
     
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    Don't blame Mueller if you can't comprehend what he said. You should blame your sources of info for lying to you and yourself for believing them when accurate info is readily available.

    During his congressional testimony on Wednesday, former special counsel Robert Mueller noted that part of his decision to refrain from considering an indictment of President Donald Trump was attributed to a long-standing Justice Department policy: According to the agency’s Office of Legal Counsel, a sitting president cannot be charged with a federal crime.

    “We, at the outset, determined that, when it came to the president’s culpability, we needed to go forward only after taking into account the OLC opinion that indicated that a sitting president cannot be indicted,” he said.
     
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    I disagree from what I recall. I recall him saying he never made a determination of whether the evidence was sufficient to indict because he knew he could not indict. Could you link and cite the specific testimony?

    His role was to gather evidence and give it to Barr/Congress, albeit knowing that it would never go anywhere because of politics.
     
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    Now we have the slippery weasel words ".... part of his decision.....," and "taking into account." Curious, were these statements made before he came back from break and volunteered to clarify his earlier testimony in that Trump was not charged because they did not have enough evidence to reach a conclusion that supported charges.
     
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    I slightly overstated the case because Mueller did not say the OLO "had nothing to do with" the decision. He had said that it was "part" of his decision and that he "took it into account." It was this testimony that he voluntarily clarified to say that to say because of the OLO he could not charge a president was a 'slightly inaccurate way' to put it since the main reason they did not charge Trump was there was not sufficient evidence to warrant any charges.

    It is a minor point but Mueller's responsibility was to report to Barr and either recommend or not any charges. It was Barr's decision to make as to what if anything would be given to congress. Mueller had full expectations that it would get to congress and high hopes that it would go far.
     
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    Documents show big foreign gov’t spending at Trump hotel

    NEW YORK (AP) — The Trump hotel in Washington took in more than $750,000 from six foreign governments at sensitive moments in their U.S. relations, with guests spending as much as $10,000 per room a night, according to documents from the Trump family company’s former accountants released Monday by a congressional committee.
    https://apnews.com/article/travel-business-saudi-arabia-malaysia-15835346f75bc5f152a58842eb7c8609
     
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    No, he can't, because it never happened.
     
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    I'm thinking you must have failed English class if you can't understand those straightforward words.
     
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    Pure unadulterated chicken feed.
     
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    Maybe you are the one who needs remedial reading if you don't understand the difference between "part of" and "due to."
     
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    I agree. Trump never should have allowed to profit from money paid to his hotel by foreign governments while he was in the WH.
     
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    You are the one claiming to be confused over Mueller's explanation as to why he didn't prosecute Individual 1 for obstruction. Though I'm not sure it isn't more denial than confusion.
     
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    Assuming he personally profited, which is highly doubtful, would that include all the resorts, enterprises, and club houses ha has around the globe??? How about the Biden family getting paid (for no work for the most part) by China, Ukraine, and Russia???
     
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    I am very simply just listening to what Mueller clearly said. You ought to try it sometime.
     
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    Show us... I am curious how you make that claim...
     
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    $50 million tax payer dollars knowing he will not indict.... we want our money back...
     

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