Six Oath Keepers convicted in connection with January 6 US Capitol riot

You can cherry-pick whatever polling in whatever metric makes you feel good.

Americans elected Biden President in 2020, and no amount of lying by a Loser changes that.

 

Issue by issue his average of all polls is in the ditch. He’s a disaster. Where’s the lie?

 

You have not documented your cherry-picking.

The reality is that Americans preferred President Biden by a margin of over seven-million votes in 2020, and still prefer him to the lying loser.

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My position is well documented. Trump is irrelevant in this.

 

You don't have to be able to document whatever you want to claim.

 

What?

 

Why did Trump refuse to testify on behalf of his goons whom he incited?

'He invited us': Accused Capitol rioters blame Trump

Jan. 6 rioter who said he was following Trump's 'marching orders'

Jan. 6 Defendant Seeks to Subpoena Trump as Witness at Trial
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It is not only the ongoing convictions of white nationalist and other Trump radicals who, under the banners of Trumpery, attacked outnumbered police defending democracy that accrues to his detriment. What he had desperately sought to conceal is being exposed:

Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone agrees to testify

Meadows, numerous Trump aides, ordered to testify in Jan. 6 probe

Pence won't fight order to testify before grand jury investigating Jan. 6
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Why would he?

 

DOJ wins in court again.... they appealed a single MAGA judge's ruling in a 1/6 trial for not understanding the law

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A divided three judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said a lower court judge was wrong in dismissing the obstruction of Congress offense after concluding that the rioters’ conduct wasn’t covered by the charge in three cases.

The Justice Department has argued that the charge — punishing anyone who obstructs or impedes an “official proceeding” — clearly fits the conduct of the rioters who halted Congress' certification of President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols, an appointee of President Donald Trump, was the was the only lower court judge overseeing the Jan. 6 cases to dismiss the charge; every other judge who considered it said that it was correctly used.

Nichols found that the Justice Department stretched the law — which is part of a victim, witness, or informant tampering statute — beyond its scope to inappropriately apply it in the these cases. Nichols ruled that a defendant must have taken “some action with respect to a document, record, or other object” in order to obstruct an official proceeding under the law.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/court-sides-justice-dept-jan-171803437.html

Heres the law

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(c) Whoever corruptly—

(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
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What horseshit that is.... Apparently, MAGA judge doesn't know the meaning of the word "or"

Good Friday indeed!

 

McCaughey went for a bench trial and was found guilty on 9 charges, including 3 counts for assaulting a police officer.
He's asking for 1 yr....lol...claims his conduct on J6 was an "aberration" .
I say at the minimum 10 yrs.

'Prosecutors seek lengthiest Jan. 6 sentence yet for rioter who pinned officer in Capitol doorway'
Source: Politico



"Prosecutors are seeking nearly 16 years in prison for Patrick McCaughey, a Jan. 6 defendant who pinned a police officer in a Capitol doorway amid some of the most chaotic moments of violence that day.

The Justice Department called for the sentence — which would be more than five years longer than the longest sentence handed down in any Jan. 6 case — to reflect what it called McCaughey’s “heinous” conduct, some of the most egregious of any Jan. 6 defendant.

“McCaughey taunted police officers at the West Front bike racks and joined the mob that threw its weight against the beleaguered line of officers guarding the Capitol,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Kimberly Paschall wrote in the 45-page sentencing memo. “McCaughey used a deadly and dangerous weapon against Officer Hodges, where he spent over two minutes using his body weight to crush the officer in the doorframe.”

McCaughey’s restraint of D.C. Police Officer Daniel Hodges in a Capitol doorway is one of the most recognizable and horrifying images of the violence that day. McCaughey’s restraint of Hodges lasted more than two minutes while other rioters disarmed the officer, removed his gas mask and ignored his screams or help. Images of McCaughey face-to-face with Hodges became a symbol of the brutality of the Jan. 6 riot. It occurred in the Capitol’s lower west terrace tunnel, where many of the most violent confrontations that day took place.


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/07/prosecutors-lengthiest-jan-6-sentence-00091099

 

You don't get a higher sentence for symbolism. Luls. Precedence exists and has been established in the riots(boy am I glad we're all in universal agreement calling them riots now. Accuracy to history is something that's important.). I suspect he'll get 6-8 years and the prosecutor will have to live with it.

 

You called it.


Jan. 6 rioter who pinned officer in door sentenced to more than 7 years in prison

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...oor-sentenced-to-more-than-7-years-in-prison/

 

According to the link, 90 months which by my amateur math is 7 1/2 years i'd say. But yeah, i think that's as most as most of the remaining sentences are going to be. Which I find totally appropriate.

 

We shall see, but I suspect you are going to be wrong for the seditious conspiracy guilty verdicts..

I see no way some of these guys, including and especially Elmer, are going to get less than double digit years...

Hearings begin today...

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Prosecutors will urge the judge on Thursday to put Rhodes behind bars for 25 years, which would be the harshest sentence by far handed down in the U.S. Capitol attack. Describing the Oath Keepers' actions as “terrorism," the Justice Department says stiff punishments are crucial to send a message to future possible instigators of political violence.

Prosecutors are seeking prison sentences ranging from 10 to 21 years for the Oath Keepers besides Rhodes.

Prosecutors are urging the judge to apply enhanced penalties for terrorism, arguing the Oath Keepers sought to influence the government through “intimidation or coercion.” Judges have so far rejected the Justice Department's request to apply the so-called “terrorism enhancement” in the handful of Jan. 6 cases it has sought it in so far, but the Oath Keepers case is unlike any others that have reached sentencing to date.

His lawyers are urging the judge to sentence him to the roughly 16 months behind bars he has already served since his January 2022 arrest. In court papers filed this month, Rhodes’ attorneys argued that all of Rhodes’ writings and statements were “protected political speech.”
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/1st-seditious-conspiracy-sentences-jan-041657846.html

 

Heck even 15yrs would be ok, but 25 yrs, which he deserves would be better. Anyways, long enough for them to forget their own names.

 

There's so much precedent, that the prosecution is fighting a losing battle on this whole "let's make them out to be political terrorists thing". If EVERY court has denied making it such a case, I would think it'd be prudent to change strategy but the goal in my mind isn't actually getting those lengthy sentences. It's 'telling the narrative of the story'

The prosecution is fully aware that they're not going to get what they want. But by the media being ever so faithful they can fulfill Biden's edict and mandate, after the event had begun. I still don't appreciate the politicizaton of the event in the court room, and the long term implications of politically-charged cases in the future.

I do think the cases would be adjudicated differently under a Republican Administration.

 

There wouldn't be cases under a Republican Administration because no Democratic politician has ever attempted to overturn an election like Trump did and there are no Democrat supporters who would attempt what the Oath Keepers attempted.

 

There's still no credible evidence of the fable of some government takeover. If the courts deny it, as they have and the evidence denies it, why are we still on this delusion? For media consumption. For political media consumption for the select few who are still actually paying attention.

The long-term concern is political factors inside of a court room is particularly disgusting and foul. Almost as foul as what happened on the day in question itself. We've had judges making public comments about would-be cases not on their dockets. The whole thing is a total disaster.

At least we know the health of the courts, is not where it should be.

 

So do I.... medals and parades for all...

 

"Government takeover" via manpower was never the true goal and is a RW invention, much like "collusion"....

They almost got what they wanted.... complete delay of certification...

Too close for my comfort...

 

'RW invention'. Bro, even you can't be that partisan. Right in the quoted article itself, it's the same talking points about domestic terrorism, the 'insurrection', etc, etc. We can't have lived through this whole ordeal through the Biden Presidency and have some warped prospective on it.

It wasn't a RW invention, it was a talking point even via the prosecution until(and as the AP article notes, not a right-leaning publication by ANY means) every court has shut it down, and is likely going to shut this one down as well.

They rioted, they mobbed. At best, there were some loose talks of a coordination that never materialized(the prosecution had to scrap to the lowest hanging fruit of the stack formation). There's what the event was, and what it wasn't. But there's also what it needs to be, for political propaganda purposes.(see: Biden's MAGA Republican speeches)

In fact, maybe the best thing that came out of the 2022 mid terms is how, in contrary to the fear mongering, damn near every Republican conceded their electoral defeats(except Lake, silly tool) and now that ammo/card won't be able to be played in 2024. The American People will not vote out of fear during this presidential election.

Gotta bring ideas, not fear to the table. Let's see it Joe, what can he bring to the American People's tables that isn't some fear porn?

 

Joe simply has to point to his record ....and the alternative. Whoever that ends up being, it's highly unlikely to be anybody palatable to the few undecideds out there..

And yes, the concept of a "government takeover" on 1/6 is a RW strawman... not sure how you are unaware of that...

 

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OATH KEEPER SENTENCED TO 18 YEARS FOR MAGA RIOT


The sentence for Stewart Rhodes is the longest imposed on a Jan. 6 defendant to date. “You, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and to the republic and to the very fabric of this democracy," Judge Amit Mehta said before handing down the sentence.

 

Has anyone been found guilty of insurrection? No just rioting which no Republican disagrees with.

 

Surely you jest,