So, what does happen if RvW goes down?

i think affluent girls have abortions (or infanticide) (required by their families) but have means to maintain discretion. has been so for a very long time.

 

So, what does happen if RvW goes down?

Then state laws would determine things.

 

"forcing?" heavens no. i would consider it more like "encourage to do the right thing."

 

You mean the days where a father had to physical threaten another man to marry his daughter? Does that even sound like the basis for a health relationship? What happened when marriage was divorce was legalized again?

 

Interesting. So the millions that have been spent by red states' tourism and commerce depts to lure high tech businesses, whose workforce is predominantly left-leaning, will mean nothing to you guys when these companies pack up and leave? Or do you honestly think these high-tech nerds will turn red?

 

There will most likely be millions more unwanted kids put into the care of whatever meager social services we already have available. With probably less so in the case of the states where such bans are likely to occur.

Personally I'd like to see hoards of mothers lined up outside Governor Abbot's mansion in Texas waiting to hand their newborns over to him.

Since he recently pulled a similar stunt bussing migrants to DC, I'm sure he'd relish the irony.

I know I would!

 

Bingo again! (Plus they'll all be US Citizens).

 

I think he wanted to pass major legislation in a bi-partisan manor even if he didn't need to.

I think he was trying to get things done without exacerbating a growing partisan gulf.

He's a smart guy in some respects but terribly naïve in others.

 

WE NEED A COMPLETE REVERSAL OF WHAT WE HAVE TODAY !!! Women and men marry far too late in life with the consequence that an ever increasing percentage of women undergo invitro to conceive, if at all. We need to return to the days of marriages and childbirth in the late teens or early twenties when both male and female are at their most fertile. We read reports that male sperm viability is at an all time low with no explanations of what may be causing it??? Our current birth rate is at an all time low!!

 

My guess too. It will take time but, in the end, the outcome will be the opposite of whatever the culture warriors were looking for. It nearly always is. Shame we have to waste so much time and money along the way.

 

But WHY?

Look, we know the three factors that change the population are Birth, Death, and Immigration. I'm not going to touch Immigration because I don't want to derail the thread. In the past two years, we have indeed had a major jump in deaths due to Covid, but in spite of that, we still have a relatively high life expectancy compared to the past 100 years. Is anyone really championing to lower that?

As far as births, that's a complex beast. There seems to be a host of factors involved, some socio-economic, but others seem a lot more elusive to pin down. Maybe it's because people just aren't hooking up like they did before? The aspirations and promises of marriage and parenthood just aren't what they were. You can pine and bemoan it all you want, but it's up to young people to decide whether they want to do it as they do it on the Discovery Channel.

And of course, all these Conservative Witch hunts and legislation they are passing left and right doesn't invoke a summer of love feeling, ya know?

 

We got way more selfish and it became acceptable for men to use 'em and lose 'em as it were especially in the 'hood. Ever wanted to no why Rap is almost universally misogynistic? Now you know.

 

No I don't think that he was brilliant or that he was trying to create a bipartisan law. I think Democrats need a campaign issue if they solve this they could no longer campaign on how evil the opponents are because they don't want to let women have abortions.

 

What I meant was, he had the votes, he could have made a law that made abortion rights protected countrywide with Democratic votes only but he did express that on any major legislation he wanted bipartisan support if he could get it.

Honestly, at the time I don't think anybody thought that SCOTUS would swing so quickly and thoroughly to the right that we'd even contemplate seeing an end to RvW.

 

Hum. I still think they need a campaign issue.

 

Why is that because leftist have had their knives out for the nuclear family ever since Marx.

 

So what is wrong with your family? What have "leftist" done to you specifically that has prevented you from fulfilling whatever that term means for you?

You sound like you're threatened because others don't interpret family the way you do. Why is that?

 

Yeah perhaps there wouldn't be so many people fleeing blue states in droves if the people in charge would actually do something oh don't know like say jailing criminals. Taking homicidal dirtbags off the streets you know controlling criminals instead of trying to control everyone else...

 

My family fights the trend. You want to see the effects of fatherlessness look at the 'hood. There are two problems with the aforementioned study the majority of abortions inspite the founder of planned parenthoods desire the overwhelming majority of those seeking abortions are middle class white females, and fatherlessness in the hood is driven almost entirely by government policy.

 

When has that ever worked?

WHO will do the "encouraging"?

Will we all be assigned someone we must "encourage"?

WHY would we encourage a marriage where the two people may hate each other?

Who has authority to "encourage"?

Will we be compensated for all the "encouaged" marriages?

Do we get fined if they get divorced? Or do you want to ban divorce, too? "The couple that stays miserable together...should stay miserable together""

 

If you aren't willing to marry the girl you shouldn't be in bed with her in the first place.

 

As a Conservative that believes in legal abortion, I still see Roe v Wade as nonsensical law. To conclude that the right to privacy refers to nationalized legal abortion is downright nonsensical.

If Roe V Wade were overturned, it would mean that each state would make that decision for themselves. Nobody honestly believes that it would be illegal in more than just a handful of states.

The net result for women in one of those states that needed an abortion would be that they would be a short bus ride away from getting what they desire. The government subsidies that go to Planned Parenthood in those states would easily fund this bus ride for poor women.

To pretend like this would be the end days is bombastic to say the least. The net effect would be minimal, other than those states with a preponderance of residents that do not want legal abortions, would no longer be forced for it to occur in their states. To pretend like this would lead to back-alley abortions is more than silly.

 

But they is poor people! And poor people just wanna suck all the money out of the government! The vast majority of women seeking abortions live below the poverty line - yeah! We know how sympathetic the right is toward them!

 

And the bus driver could be sued under Texas law

 

I have heard that alleged by the left several times. I have not seen it happen. I would be truly shocked if it did, and I would in fact be vehemently opposed if it ever did.

Perhaps that is an exaggeration designed to unnecessarily inflame the situation? Deep down, I suspect that you too realize that will never happen.