Solar now accounts for over 50% of new electricity capacity added to the U.S. grid

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  1. Jack Hays

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    "Climate change" is a silly pretext. Radioactive waste poses no danger to future generations. You are a prisoner of miseducation.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good point, but can you name a State whose economy was”wrecked” by renewables? Iowa gets 70% of their power from wind. Their economy is thriving with all that “free” energy.
     
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    Can you GUARANTEE that throughout mankind’s future history, that there won’t be an earthquake epicenter at a radioactive waste storage site? Can you guarantee that climate change won’t cause extreme disruptive weather events in the future?
     
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    No one can predict the future, but the possibilities you fear are extraordinarily unlikely.
     
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    The renewables, themselves, don't 'wreck' an economy -- but blindly eliminating our CHIEF sources of power generation far too soon can! The most recent statistics indicate that coal provides 16% of our power generation, and natural gas provides a whopping 43%. Both of those reliable, economically-viable sources of power are reviled by extremists who want us to rush headlong into reliance on renewables ONLY. But, consider...

    "Solar photovoltaic and solar thermal power plants provided about 4% of total U.S. utility-scale electricity and accounted for 18% of utility-scale electricity generation from renewable sources in 2023." Link: Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
     
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    States like Iowa demonstrate that we can do much more, and that it is better for our economy. Oil and natural gas are very valuable resources. Why are we burning it all up in 15-20 generations? With conservation techniques like renewables, we can make them last for hundreds of generations.
     
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    Natural gas is the bridge to widespread nuclear power.
     
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    I have to admit that I am truly glad that the methods of producing electricity from solar energy are being improved.

    Solar powered desalination technology is especially promising in my opinion.......

    https://www.saharaforestproject.com


    https://www.saharaforestproject.com/jordan/


     
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    Natural gas is one of the options for backup for renewables. It works fairly well, as the gas turbines can be phased up and down reactively. If you like extremely expensive power and very high electric bills, Nuclear is your baby. Plus, the cost of disposal of High Level Radioactive Wastes is not even factored into the cost.
     
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    You keep repeating this false narrative.
     
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    Nuclear is the least expensive. This has already been pointed out.
     
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    If the natural gas generation is 'running anyway' it costs.
     
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    There are two products, product A and product B. People have been using product A. Some third party wishes to get society to use product B instead. The only way the third party can figure out to move consumption from A to B is to subsidize B and tax A.

    In a free market, if B were significantly cheaper but of comparable performance to A, consumption would trend quickly to B. If B were slightly more costly or equivalent in cost, but far superior in performance to A, in a free market consumption would again likely trend towards B.

    Why is subsidization of B and taxation of A necessary if B is superior to and cheaper than A?

    Something to think about.
     
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    Because certain people in the legislature receive $$$ from lobbyists for B.
     
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    Yeh, there is that. :)
     
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    I worked in the Utilities department of a Fortune 500 company. It’s very common for a Utility to fire up two or three units, and run them at 25% each. That way they easily meet demand by increasing the output of all running units. This is how many choose to run, with or without renewables, and renewables fit right in to that control philosophy.
     
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    I'm sure it's done for a good reason.
     
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    Then the new capacity of every other source is even more trivial, as Solar represents 75% of added capacity in 2024.
     
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    Which tells you how little capacity has been added.
     
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    It demonstrates how solar is the new energy of choice. And not just for Environmental responsibility, but also price value.
     
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    Not for long.
     
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    You think the Orange Stain is going to do something to slow down the miracle of solar? He didn’t remove tax credits in 2016. Plus, he has Elon Musk to appease.
     
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    I have no idea what DJT will do. Solar growth is unsustainable as an economic proposition.
     

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